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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 26 Sep 22 4.14pm Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Wasn't the 2008 banking crisis/near catastophe due in a large part to bankers chasing massive bonuses, by excessive irresponsible lending?

Now by removing the limit, which was a mere 200% of basic salary, we're supposed to believe it will energise the City.

It may have been 14 years ago, but some of haven't forgotten nor forgiven. Not Liz nor KK though.

(as an aside: The limit was imposed by the EU - could this be one of the reasons many of the super-wealthy wanted Brexit?)

 


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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 26 Sep 22 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

I am no expert on this but what I have heard revolves around the idea I suppose that the ban remains in the EU and therefore this should attract foreign based staff to the UK. Add to this the fact that their highest tax rate will be 40% and you can perhaps understand some form of rationale behind the plan announced by the Government.
I doubt whether anybody on this forum will benefit directly, but with 'x' number of high net worth individuals coming to the UK, they will start the trickle down effect. Possibly, possibly not, but it will differentiate us from the EU marketplace (rightly or wrongly).

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Sep 22 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I posted on this on another thread. The issue was poor regulation which allowed the banks to build up too much bad debt.

Of course people will always chase money and push the envelope but restricting that doesn't solve the problem.

Since 2008 the regulations have been tightened and the banks face regular stress tests, whether this is sufficient remains to be seen.

Bankers bonus is just a dog whistle why not legislate on footballers or Lewis Hamilton.

I am far more concerned about the banks having a healthy balance sheet, if a dealer earns a bank £100m profit why shouldn't he get a huge bonus.

Controls and regulations to stop banks over lending is the answer this is partly the fault of the politicians who failed the regulate a sector that is vital to our economy.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Sep 2022 5.14pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Sep 22 5.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I posted on this on another thread. The issue was poor regulation which allowed the banks to build up too much bad debt.

Of course people will always chase money and push the envelope but restricting that doesn't solve the problem.

Since 2008 the regulations have been tightened and the banks face regular stress tests, whether this is sufficient remains to be seen.

Bankers bonus is just a dog whistle why not legislate on footballers or Lewis Hamilton.

I am far more concerned about the banks having a healthy balance sheet, if a dealer earns a bank £100m profit why shouldn't he get a huge bonus.

Controls and regulations to stop banks over lending is the answer this is partly the fault of the politicians who failed the regulate a sector that is vital to our economy.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Sep 2022 5.14pm)

I agree, it's a balancing act.

Part of me sees the sense in using and expanding this nationally strong sector to compete outside the more restricted EU....while also recognising that the sector is full of wealthy gutter types.

You always worry with the Tories that they are more interested in helping themselves and their mates than anything else.

I'd like to see an attempt to build up industry in other areas than just financial....The last two years of decisions have essentially steamrolled the service sector and I'm not seeing how a barrel load of small businesses don't continue to close....the help offered isn't going to cut it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2022 5.26pm)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Sep 22 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree, it's a balancing act.

Part of me sees the sense in using and expanding this nationally strong sector to compete outside the more restricted EU....while also recognising that the sector is full of wealthy gutter types.

You always worry with the Tories that they are more interested in helping themselves and their mates than anything else.

I'd like to see an attempt to build up industry in other areas than just financial....The last two years of decisions have essentially steamrolled the service sector and I'm not seeing how a barrel load of small businesses don't continue to close....the help offered isn't going to cut it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2022 5.26pm)

Agreed. I am not defending their behavior I lost a huge amount of money because of them.

Since 1950's the Financial Sector has been the mainstay of the economy generating billions in tax revenue decade after decade whilst the nationalised industries lost billions. In 2008 they screwed up and cost us big time but overall it is still a significant contributor to our economy

As Stirlingsays we need to invest in other sectors if only they were as successful.

 


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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 26 Sep 22 5.45pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I am no expert on this but what I have heard revolves around the idea I suppose that the ban remains in the EU and therefore this should attract foreign based staff to the UK. Add to this the fact that their highest tax rate will be 40% and you can perhaps understand some form of rationale behind the plan announced by the Government.
I doubt whether anybody on this forum will benefit directly, but with 'x' number of high net worth individuals coming to the UK, they will start the trickle down effect. Possibly, possibly not, but it will differentiate us from the EU marketplace (rightly or wrongly).

which is why Brexit was such a bad idea for the City. I think i recently heard that the city has lost 7k bankers in the last few years. I did work in the city (as a support manager, not a trader) and many of the traders were bi-lingual Europeans based in the UK.
Not only would Brexit make it more difficult for them going forward, it forced all financial companies to have a bigger EU presence once the UK voted to leave. So many of these 'lost' traders have just gone back to Paris, Madrid, Brussels etc.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 26 Sep 22 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

Wasn't the 2008 banking crisis/near catastophe due in a large part to bankers chasing massive bonuses, by excessive irresponsible lending?

That's not my recollection as I recall it being down to the UK banks funding overseas banks (primarily American) who were involved heavily in the sub prime mortgage market and who got their fingers severely burned with bad debts.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 26 Sep 22 5.52pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

In my opinion it's not a government's role to tell private sector employers how to remunerate their employees. Footballers are remunerated beyond the wildest dreams of most bankers, so why not ban them from receiving bonuses? In any case, banning bonuses is simple to circumvent by paying a higher salary instead.

 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 26 Sep 22 5.54pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's not my recollection as I recall it being down to the UK banks funding overseas banks (primarily American) who were involved heavily in the sub prime mortgage market and who got their fingers severely burned with bad debts.

Yep, that was my understanding too.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Sep 22 6.29pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

which is why Brexit was such a bad idea for the City. I think i recently heard that the city has lost 7k bankers in the last few years. I did work in the city (as a support manager, not a trader) and many of the traders were bi-lingual Europeans based in the UK.
Not only would Brexit make it more difficult for them going forward, it forced all financial companies to have a bigger EU presence once the UK voted to leave. So many of these 'lost' traders have just gone back to Paris, Madrid, Brussels etc.

Unlike say a steel mill (difficult to move) there are lots of ebbs and flows in the Financial Sector, there always has been.

Post Brexit a lot of fuss was made over several thousands jobs going to the EU meanwhile not a lot has been said about the tens of thousands of FS jobs that have gone to Indian call centres and other low cost locations over the last 20 years.

I think I read recently that some of the EU jobs have since come back, the money will always follow the best deal.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Sep 2022 6.30pm)

 


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View glazedallover's Profile glazedallover Flag Allier 26 Sep 22 6.33pm Send a Private Message to glazedallover Add glazedallover as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's not my recollection as I recall it being down to the UK banks funding overseas banks (primarily American) who were involved heavily in the sub prime mortgage market and who got their fingers severely burned with bad debts.

Yes, but many bankers in the UK were encouraging their clients to also buy into packaged sub-prime mortgage debt and received large bonuses on the back of it, while the clients lost their investment. I was working at Citi at the time.

 

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