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View CP2022's Profile CP2022 Flag London 13 Oct 22 12.20pm Send a Private Message to CP2022 Add CP2022 as a friend

Hey guys,

I am a Master's student at the University of Brighton from South Korea. Being a female fan myself, through my thesis research I want to find out what can enable more male fans to live, breathe and sleep the women's games as much as you do for the men's games. I would really appreciate your quick minutes into the survey I designed for the research I am conducting.


Survey Link: [Link]

Thank you guys xx

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 14 Oct 22 8.54am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I'm just bumping this thread a bit, and also offering a few comments which weren't on the questionnaire.
I think the major hurdle for males watching women's football would be accusations from (female) partners as to "why are you going to watch ladies football?"
There is a great deal of history to men's football and the tribalism it generates.
Notwithstanding, all the women's football I've seen on TV has been very entertaining. A bit like watching my local team, where money hasn't made the game an arena for play-acting and gamesmanship.

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 14 Oct 22 9.23am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I'm just bumping this thread a bit, and also offering a few comments which weren't on the questionnaire.
I think the major hurdle for males watching women's football would be accusations from (female) partners as to "why are you going to watch ladies football?"
There is a great deal of history to men's football and the tribalism it generates.
Notwithstanding, all the women's football I've seen on TV has been very entertaining. A bit like watching my local team, where money hasn't made the game an arena for play-acting and gamesmanship.

I think this is the major crux of the matter.
Mens football has been around for 100+ years. Before the money making era began in the 90's, football was accessible to everyone even through the hardest of times, and strong connections between fans and clubs were created.
Womens football hasn't had this time, and is trying to get to the Same point as Mens without being able to go through same the relationship building history as the mens. It's a tough ask in this climate.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Oct 22 10.02am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I think this is the major crux of the matter.
Mens football has been around for 100+ years. Before the money making era began in the 90's, football was accessible to everyone even through the hardest of times, and strong connections between fans and clubs were created.
Womens football hasn't had this time, and is trying to get to the Same point as Mens without being able to go through same the relationship building history as the mens. It's a tough ask in this climate.

Excellent points.

Football was always the working class sport and the fans understood that their heroes had to be paid sportsmen as they were working class like themselves and needed to earn a living.

Even in the 1970's fans will tell you they caught the same bus or train as the players.

Cricket, Rugby and athletics where middle class amateur sports where professionalism was frowned upon.

So to a working man football "was our sport" it was what the factory worker or miner did or watched on a Saturday afternoon to escape the grime and grind of work.

Sadly that connection has now disappeared, the history though remains.

Edited by Badger11 (14 Oct 2022 10.04am)

 


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View stayloa's Profile stayloa Flag Beckenham 14 Oct 22 10.23am Send a Private Message to stayloa Add stayloa as a friend

I've completed this.

Interestingly, I'm attending my first Palace ladies game on Sunday with my daughter and two of her female cousins.

My primary reason for going is to help provide positive role models for the girls. I hate hearing them talk about something being a thing that "men" or "boys" do.

The standard is obviously not up to that of the men's top tiers, but I think that's mainly due to investment and gender stereotypes putting girls off playing. The men's game has had well over a century of investment and it's predominently been a "male only" sport for most of that period.

Of course there are differences in physicality between men and women, but tennis is a prime example of a sport where the women's game is just as entertaining as the men's game and that's a sport where they are much furhter ahead in terms of investment at the grass roots level for men and women.

 

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Originally posted by stayloa

I've completed this.

Interestingly, I'm attending my first Palace ladies game on Sunday with my daughter and two of her female cousins.

My primary reason for going is to help provide positive role models for the girls. I hate hearing them talk about something being a thing that "men" or "boys" do.

The standard is obviously not up to that of the men's top tiers, but I think that's mainly due to investment and gender stereotypes putting girls off playing. The men's game has had well over a century of investment and it's predominently been a "male only" sport for most of that period.

Of course there are differences in physicality between men and women, but tennis is a prime example of a sport where the women's game is just as entertaining as the men's game and that's a sport where they are much furhter ahead in terms of investment at the grass roots level for men and women.

Watching womens tennis is like a different sport compared to mens. Thereís many mismatches and 6-1, 6-0 wins. The way the matches are played is completely different and not as entertaining. Unfortunately, due to physicality, this is inevitable. There was the case of the trans cyclist. The analysis goes that due to womens hips etc, they donít have the same push down power through the legs that men do. To make it even more challenging theyíre using pitches that are too long and with goals that are too big. But theyíre using lower tier professional stadiums to get people in so thatís not going to change anytime soon.

 


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View CP2022's Profile CP2022 Flag London 14 Oct 22 12.47pm Send a Private Message to CP2022 Add CP2022 as a friend

Originally posted by stayloa

I've completed this.

Interestingly, I'm attending my first Palace ladies game on Sunday with my daughter and two of her female cousins.

My primary reason for going is to help provide positive role models for the girls. I hate hearing them talk about something being a thing that "men" or "boys" do.

The standard is obviously not up to that of the men's top tiers, but I think that's mainly due to investment and gender stereotypes putting girls off playing. The men's game has had well over a century of investment and it's predominently been a "male only" sport for most of that period.

Of course there are differences in physicality between men and women, but tennis is a prime example of a sport where the women's game is just as entertaining as the men's game and that's a sport where they are much furhter ahead in terms of investment at the grass roots level for men and women.

Thank you

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Excellent points.

Football was always the working class sport and the fans understood that their heroes had to be paid sportsmen as they were working class like themselves and needed to earn a living.

Even in the 1970's fans will tell you they caught the same bus or train as the players.

Cricket, Rugby and athletics where middle class amateur sports where professionalism was frowned upon.

So to a working man football "was our sport" it was what the factory worker or miner did or watched on a Saturday afternoon to escape the grime and grind of work.

Sadly that connection has now disappeared, the history though remains.

Edited by Badger11 (14 Oct 2022 10.04am)

I'm Not Sure the Connection has dissapeared - as there is still a tribal nature to fans - many supporting those clubs that their dads supported. This Tribal connection has been passed through The generations, and was born in those early days, but still Exists, Even if a connection to a specific club is lost - when the kids inevitably start supporting The Man Citys/Liverpools the football tribalism, and what it's like to support a club still exists, and instead of the mutual support, a Rivalry dynamic appears.
The womens game doesn't have that same appeal, yet, - it needs time to nurture it.


 


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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I'm Not Sure the Connection has dissapeared - as there is still a tribal nature to fans - many supporting those clubs that their dads supported. This Tribal connection has been passed through The generations, and was born in those early days, but still Exists, Even if a connection to a specific club is lost - when the kids inevitably start supporting The Man Citys/Liverpools the football tribalism, and what it's like to support a club still exists, and instead of the mutual support, a Rivalry dynamic appears.
The womens game doesn't have that same appeal, yet, - it needs time to nurture it.


The rivalry certainly exists but the connection between fans and players has mostly gone except maybe in the lower leagues.

Many players of the past worked in mines or factories before becoming footballers, today they are imported from all over the world and most don't have a local connection and of course live in big mansions.

 


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If someone has enough leisure money to spend on watching both sexes play football then good luck to them I suppose....though if you have a daughter or wife heavily into it I can see the sense.

It's not for me though.....and I think women don't tend to be into sport as much as men. Still, there will always been a level of interest.....though I think it's being massively inflated by sport broadcasters at the moment because it's so cheap and ticks all the PC boxes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Oct 2022 3.17pm)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Oct 22 7.13pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The womens game doesn't have that same appeal, yet, - it needs time to nurture it.


there was a big push to get good salaries for the irish women's team.

notwithstanding the tiny audience figures & empty Stadia

 


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View MrWhyNot's Profile MrWhyNot Flag 15 Oct 22 5.03pm Send a Private Message to MrWhyNot Add MrWhyNot as a friend

I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it
I li-li-like it, li-li-li

Not a lot.. but they're winning. That tends to appeal. The mens team need to learn a thing or two about that.

Edited by MrWhyNot (15 Oct 2022 8.51pm)

 

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