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View Andy0629's Profile Andy0629 Flag Warlingham 22 Oct 22 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Andy0629 Add Andy0629 as a friend

We cannot play away from home with one holding midfielder, we should have started 4-2-3-1 with two holding in the midfield, we got totally over run. Save Olise for second half he doesnít offer enough defensively when we play away, and we are not good enough to dominate possession away from home.

 

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View CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE's Profile CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 22 Oct 22 5.34pm Send a Private Message to CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Add CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE as a friend

Have to say, Steve cooper is a far better manager than Viera. Tactically. Just donít see what Viera managerial prowess is. Mitchell, Milli should not be anywhere on the pitch. He canít get fire out of the players, would not be surprised that he lost the locker room already.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Oct 22 5.36pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Well, certainly a bad display today and substitutions didnít help as well. As for our midfield, itís been non existent all season but luckily we have picked up points with it being poor. We have one midfield player every match selected with Dacoure being the best to choose from. Sadly he is always on his own and today it was Lukaís turn to be our one midfielder. Yes, he was at fault for Evertonís first goal but that isnít our problem, itís team selection with no support for our one midfielder who gets selected. Luka in the second half was then replaced and our midfield suffered even more as our midfield had no recognised midfield players? As for the other players chosen to play in midfield each week they are square pegs in round holes. It doesnít work having so many forward style players playing in midfield as they arenít strong enough to battle for the ball or positional play in the middle. So often this season as today they couldnít pass or control the ball to set up attacks nor support anyone around them. The back four are under tremendous pressure because of this and today they couldnít hold out. Everton had an easy day Iím afraid and unless changes in the middle are made todayís result will happen more often. A balanced midfield is required and some of our favourite players need to be on the bench where they will be more beneficial coming on later in the game?

I'm reminded of Ossie Ardiles' brief stint as Spurs manager. Another great player in his day, but for some reason decided that he'd set up with a kind of forward 5 if I recall, and of course it all went horribly wrong and he was sacked...

 

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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 22 Oct 22 5.39pm Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

Our away form is a real worry. We show no ambition at all, three goalless away games off the trot

 

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 22 Oct 22 5.40pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I'm reminded of Ossie Ardiles' brief stint as Spurs manager. Another great player in his day, but for some reason decided that he'd set up with a kind of forward 5 if I recall, and of course it all went horribly wrong and he was sacked...

The Famous Five, it gave Tottenham the reputation for being the most attacking team that ever existed. Wasn't Klinsmann one of them?

 

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Originally posted by Slimey Toad

The Famous Five, it gave Tottenham the reputation for being the most attacking team that ever existed. Wasn't Klinsmann one of them?

He was, yes ha ha. Just goes to show that playing like that isn't really possible, a team needs a midfield...

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 22 Oct 22 5.49pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

PV is showing how nieve he is and basisally getting almost everything wrong tactictally, he is making the same mistakes at Nice, Two DMs is a must, not only to protect the defence but to allow the creative players to stay further up the pitch, really dissapointing to have so much creativity and not know how to use it

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

PV is showing how nieve he is and basisally getting almost everything wrong tactictally, he is making the same mistakes at Nice, Two DMs is a must, not only to protect the defence but to allow the creative players to stay further up the pitch, really dissapointing to have so much creativity and not know how to use it

Perhaps there is too much creativity. The Arsenal Invincibles side of which Vieira was a key part was robust in midfield and defence; the cherry on the cake was the exceptional forward abilities of Bergkamp and Henry. No players in "free" roles scratching their balls on the halfway line. The French national side was similar, robust in midfield and defence. This is where the game is won and lost, ask Brasil after the 7-1 drubbing by a hard working, skilful and organised German side.
We lose one key player and the whole thing collapses like a house of cards. One didn't need a crystal ball to see it coming.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 22 Oct 22 6.07pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

We are trying to accommodate Zaha, Olise, Eze and Edouard which in some ways is admirable but they are all ball players who are not great out of possession.
Even if they track back and work hard they are not equipped to win the ball which means in some games , like today, the impression is given that we are carrying these players.
As others have noted, we may be able to accommodate them all if we change the system or strengthen our midfield.
However, Vieira shows no sign of doing the former and we canít address the latter until the transfer window.

 

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag Cashel 22 Oct 22 6.18pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by slubglurge

Our away form is a real worry. We show no ambition at all, three goalless away games off the trot

Yes , i watched the whole game and i cant remember a shot on target or off target to think of it for the whole game .

 


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Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Have to say, Steve cooper is a far better manager than Viera. Tactically. Just donít see what Viera managerial prowess is. Mitchell, Milli should not be anywhere on the pitch. He canít get fire out of the players, would not be surprised that he lost the locker room already.

At the start of the season I could not see the end of the Vieira reign,I can now.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 22 Oct 22 6.24pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Perhaps there is too much creativity. The Arsenal Invincibles side of which Vieira was a key part was robust in midfield and defence; the cherry on the cake was the exceptional forward abilities of Bergkamp and Henry. No players in "free" roles scratching their balls on the halfway line. The French national side was similar, robust in midfield and defence. This is where the game is won and lost, ask Brasil after the 7-1 drubbing by a hard working, skilful and organised German side.
We lose one key player and the whole thing collapses like a house of cards. One didn't need a crystal ball to see it coming.

You are correct, Wilf, Eze, Olise/Ayew and Doucoure with Hughes, Jairo until we can get someone better in, one too many flair players

 


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