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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 23 Oct 22 7.56pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Zaha is the top four or five goal scorers in the Premier League this calendar year.
Where would we have been without his goals over the period?
I need Willo or another stats man to explain the closest Palace scorer over the equivalent period, but I would doubt that they have more than 4 or 5 league goals (Mateta?).
There must be a reasonable chance that Zaha will depart at some point next year as he will be available without a fee and should be able to command wages that Palace cannot match.
There will definitely be interest from top clubs as a free transfer.
So where are our goals going to come from if he departs?
We need to planning for this eventuality as I cannot see the goals coming from our current strikers or midfield.
Even with a good defence it can be a struggle to win games without goals.
In some ways it’s a longer standing problem as Luka was previously our top scorer when on penalty duty, as indeed is Zaha currently.
I hope this post does not compound people’s misery after yesterday’s performance, but we need to find goals from other areas or from new players.

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 23 Oct 22 8.30pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Good post. I am assuming that COFC are talking with Wilf but the other elephant is that Wilf wants out to pick up some silverware and if the scousers are looking at him then we could well lose him. On the positiuve side Olise and Eze will be well grounded by then and hopefully will take over from him and (again hopefully) we will have picked up that additional midgfielder which will make a difference (think of Luka yesterday being on the bench instead of starting). I am being positive but I can see the green shoots coming through but there is always the chance that we need the money to pay for the extra cost of the new stand which will stop us buying that midfielder. Many a slip twixt cup and lip.

 


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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 23 Oct 22 11.22pm Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

Thankfully Zaha is talking about enjoying his football with Palace.

PV is in the background. Assuming Wilfred could walk into any PL team on transfer, he only needs to be injured to start a struggle for a starting place at the receiving club.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Oct 22 7.17pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

If you genuinely want to talk about this, consider the reality. If we were top half, competing for Europe then Zaha would stay. As it is, we're fighting relegation, maybe we can get mid table. Zaha is going to leave in those circumstances.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 24 Oct 22 7.36pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The point of the post was more about how we replace his goals if he does leave.
He’s third top scorer in the Premier League over this calendar year (13 goals) and I can’t see where equivalent goals are coming from other members of the squad.
If he leaves, whether in January or the summer, we need to replace his goals somehow or we face a struggle.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Oct 22 7.53pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

The point of the post was more about how we replace his goals if he does leave.
He’s third top scorer in the Premier League over this calendar year (13 goals) and I can’t see where equivalent goals are coming from other members of the squad.
If he leaves, whether in January or the summer, we need to replace his goals somehow or we face a struggle.

Fair enough, my point was if we were any good he'd stay. He's Palace through and through but he's not going to stay as we've been treading water for ten years.

 


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View Brinscalleagle2's Profile Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 24 Oct 22 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Brinscalleagle2 Add Brinscalleagle2 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Fair enough, my point was if we were any good he'd stay. He's Palace through and through but he's not going to stay as we've been treading water for ten years.

I think that is correct he would stay if we were a team challenging for the top. The reality is we do not yet have the players to do so and I fear if he does stay and we do not progress markedly then he will lose interest and become a negative influence. I think it is in the best interests of the club’s development that he moves on as much as it hurts me to say so. COYP

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 24 Oct 22 8.53pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

It wouldn't sadden me overly if he left. The "we can't do without Wilf" brigade need to realise that at some stage he'll go anyway, and this being the last season of his current contract it may well be now, unless the club decide to offer him another year.
Others will step up to the plate and it may well be that we'll function a lot better with the load spread more evenly.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 24 Oct 22 10.14pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

I think we will be surprised where the goals will come from when Wilf leaves.

Currently, we are still set up to try and get the ball to Wilf as often as possible with Andersen using his long diagonal crosses and Olise admitting that he tends to look to pass to Wilf whenever he can. When he gets the ball, Wilf has too often lost it or has slowed the team's momentum by keeping the ball too long before passing.

Whilst his goal return since PV came has been the best in his career, his record of assists has been poor for a player in his role.

When he goes, our team may be more balanced and less predictable to our opponents as our players hopefully seek to play the right ball and not seek out a particular talisman.


 

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View ATL Eagle's Profile ATL Eagle Flag Atlanta 25 Oct 22 12.48am Send a Private Message to ATL Eagle Add ATL Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

When he goes, our team may be more balanced and less predictable to our opponents as our players hopefully seek to play the right ball and not seek out a particular talisman.

You've got a point. It's becoming clearer to me that the young guns are deferring to Wilf by always looking to pass to him. I'm concerned that Eze and Olise are also taking a cue from him in being more concerned with looking cool than doing the hard work.

On the other hand Wilf has had some good games this year. For me Olise and Eze were much more at fault vs. Everton than Wilf.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 25 Oct 22 9.05am Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

I think we will be surprised where the goals will come from when Wilf leaves.

Currently, we are still set up to try and get the ball to Wilf as often as possible with Andersen using his long diagonal crosses and Olise admitting that he tends to look to pass to Wilf whenever he can. When he gets the ball, Wilf has too often lost it or has slowed the team's momentum by keeping the ball too long before passing.

Whilst his goal return since PV came has been the best in his career, his record of assists has been poor for a player in his role.

When he goes, our team may be more balanced and less predictable to our opponents as our players hopefully seek to play the right ball and not seek out a particular talisman.


Excellent post.

 

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