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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Beckenham 26 Oct 22 4.42pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I expect a windfall tax on the energy companies. Rather than a cut in income tax I anticipate it increasing and the levels at which the higher bands kick in decreasing. VAT may well increase too. This may all be done in stages to avoid too big a shock to the economy at any one time.


+ windfall tax on banks as well. I guess they are already prepared for this & Santander just announced Q3 profit details which is boosted by increasing rates.

 

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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Beckenham 26 Oct 22 4.46pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Efficiency in the state sector is going to be needed. Less management and more foot soldiers. Waste is huge in health and education. My mrs works in a school and I have seen skip loads of books and paper just in a school of 400 odd kids. Imagine the waste in the huge comps in the big cities. The same with the nhs. Root and branch checks and change is needed.

Really upsetting that this is not a prioritized topic. Funding / cutting definitions are not helping. Re-engineering processes & putting them in a plan is less costy and smart thing to do. This may end up with job-cuts for sure but if this was a concern, we would still be managing daily banking activities in branches.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Oct 22 4.52pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Here is a vid of Basingstoke, its a real eye-opener as to the state of the UK:-

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I recall going there for computer courses in the 1980s it was quite a busy place it is quite shocking to see it now.


 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 26 Oct 22 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

I have heard " efficiencies and waste cutting for decades, no Govt ever seems to grasp the nettle.

It's the fall back for every government we elect. I was in the Civil Service for 36 years and saw the same old policies recycled 4 times. I remember saying "Do you want us to do it exactly like last time or maybe like the time before?" Same old crap just different faces!

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Oct 22 7.44pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

It's the fall back for every government we elect. I was in the Civil Service for 36 years and saw the same old policies recycled 4 times. I remember saying "Do you want us to do it exactly like last time or maybe like the time before?" Same old crap just different faces!

I havenít your experience but the problem is that the opposition jump straight on the defence; particularly labour when the state is bought into the save money conversation. I mean atm the nurses and other health workerís, teachers and associated want a 10% rise. How is that even feasible when the uk is skint. Private sector donít get the pension perks for a start. I would bet you have a lovely pension due to your former years. No problem; you earned it but itís forgotten in negotiations for pay rises.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Oct 22 9.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Economic reality is where we are and I agree.
As badger posted some will now not see the need for cuts, but couldnít wait to stop the tax breaks wrongly introduced by the former pm.
Efficiency in the state sector is going to be needed. Less management and more foot soldiers. Waste is huge in health and education. My mrs works in a school and I have seen skip loads of books and paper just in a school of 400 odd kids. Imagine the waste in the huge comps in the big cities. The same with the nhs. Root and branch checks and change is needed.

I am not sure how much efficiency can be gained from this, and it's going off thread, but this annoys me too, but for a different reason.

My understanding is that schools regularly have to change books not only when the curriculum changes, but when social standards change. Which these days is quite frequently. I have spoken to caretakers who just don't know what to do with the redundant books, often in near perfect condition, which end up being incinerated. What an expensive waste.

I spent some years spending the winters in S E Asia, where many schools were very short of resources, often having a few tattered books to share among a class of 50, with little paper or pens etc.

I collected quite a few boxes full of those unwanted books and sent them out there. Only a token of course, but the joy on lots of little faces when they were distributed was wonderful.

I've often wondered if something like that ought to be more widely organised.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Oct 22 10.11pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not sure how much efficiency can be gained from this, and it's going off thread, but this annoys me too, but for a different reason.

My understanding is that schools regularly have to change books not only when the curriculum changes, but when social standards change. Which these days is quite frequently. I have spoken to caretakers who just don't know what to do with the redundant books, often in near perfect condition, which end up being incinerated. What an expensive waste.

I spent some years spending the winters in S E Asia, where many schools were very short of resources, often having a few tattered books to share among a class of 50, with little paper or pens etc.

I collected quite a few boxes full of those unwanted books and sent them out there. Only a token of course, but the joy on lots of little faces when they were distributed was wonderful.

I've often wondered if something like that ought to be more widely organised.

Of course it should but itís the very small tip of very large and wasteful iceberg of state spending.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 27 Oct 22 8.20am Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I havenít your experience but the problem is that the opposition jump straight on the defence; particularly labour when the state is bought into the save money conversation. I mean atm the nurses and other health workerís, teachers and associated want a 10% rise. How is that even feasible when the uk is skint. Private sector donít get the pension perks for a start. I would bet you have a lovely pension due to your former years. No problem; you earned it but itís forgotten in negotiations for pay rises.

I wish ... cuts meant wage freezes for civil servants. Not just one year but usually for the term of that government. Add to that working for a department that deliberately paid lower salaries as a lead for other govt entities. Oh and they contract you out so that when your state pension arrives its 3/4 of everyone else's. It's a relatively unrewarding financial experience being a public servant in any capacity.

 


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View MrWhyNot's Profile MrWhyNot Flag 30 Oct 22 8.13pm Send a Private Message to MrWhyNot Add MrWhyNot as a friend

They're likely to go from one extreme to the other now on account of Truss' giveaway budget.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 30 Oct 22 8.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

I wish ... cuts meant wage freezes for civil servants. Not just one year but usually for the term of that government. Add to that working for a department that deliberately paid lower salaries as a lead for other govt entities. Oh and they contract you out so that when your state pension arrives its 3/4 of everyone else's. It's a relatively unrewarding financial experience being a public servant in any capacity.

I would agree that it's often a job loaded with issues, however in some roles it has considerable job security over the private sector.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Oct 22 8.21pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would agree that it's often a job loaded with issues, however in some roles it has considerable job security over the private sector.

That was almost exactly my perception.

 


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In terms of cutting the public sector I can think of one area of fat that only materialised in modern times and has no discernable point to being around other than pleasing the progressive idealogs.

That's the inclusion, diversity and equity jobs that this sector....along with all of the corporate world has been spending considerable money on for about a decade now.

Any law or regulation that incentives it would be abolished and disincentives put in place. PR departments need to go back to what they were originally....instead of being the hotbed of waffle that they expanded into.

The other area I would cut would be governmental quangos, which expanded massively under Tony Blair and were essentially a way of giving jobs to their mates. It's a massive waste and should be cut down to size considerably straight away.

There are many good and vital people who work in the public services and its important services are protected....However, the above industries that grew up around them are nothing but sociopolitical weeds, starving them of money that could and should be used properly. A complete and utter waste of money.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2022 8.40pm)

 


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