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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Nov 22 9.37am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I agree with most of this. I certainly don't think we ought to have an elected, political, second chamber. It would just be an expensive, pointless diversion with the capacity to generate heat but no light.

A second chamber of the experienced, wise and skilled is what's needed to review, suggest and improve. Ensuring the appointments are solely on merit, without any kind of political input, is essential, as is the need to remove hereditary rights, which are an anachronism in the modern world. A standing Commission reporting to the Monarch seems the way to go.

How they should meet, whether together, or as specialist committees is something that itself could be reviewed by them, but probably a mixture of both dependent on the subject.

I do though think that some ex politicians need to be included. Like it or not, politics has an influence over whether things are deliverable, or not, so having some who have been in the mix to add wise counsel to the advice being sent forwards seems sensible.

Agree with all of this and the post to which it replied.

I very much see the value or even necessity a second body holds however having it exist within a political context yet seemingly determined to be completely neutral and objective in its entity does read as a task not for the likes of this dullard. Surely the scrutiny and diligence required around it would be intense? And even then, 'who polices the police'?? I'm going back to my crayons as this is giving me a nosebleed in only contemplation!

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Nov 22 9.38am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I agree with most of this. I certainly don't think we ought to have an elected, political, second chamber. It would just be an expensive, pointless diversion with the capacity to generate heat but no light.

A second chamber of the experienced, wise and skilled is what's needed to review, suggest and improve. Ensuring the appointments are solely on merit, without any kind of political input, is essential, as is the need to remove hereditary rights, which are an anachronism in the modern world. A standing Commission reporting to the Monarch seems the way to go.

How they should meet, whether together, or as specialist committees is something that itself could be reviewed by them, but probably a mixture of both dependent on the subject.

I do though think that some ex politicians need to be included. Like it or not, politics has an influence over whether things are deliverable, or not, so having some who have been in the mix to add wise counsel to the advice being sent forwards seems sensible.

Very idealistic.

Any chamber that is not directly elected will be subverted by the politicians of all parties.

If they can't choose who goes in the upper house they will choose the people who make the choice so it becomes selection by proxy.

You only have to look at how Labour has pushed that disgusting Tom Watson against the wishes of many. No doubt it was a prid quo pro for some equally disgusting Tory.

The elite in this country have given us the illusion of democracy not the reality.

 


One more point

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Nov 22 10.20am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Very idealistic.

Any chamber that is not directly elected will be subverted by the politicians of all parties.

If they can't choose who goes in the upper house they will choose the people who make the choice so it becomes selection by proxy.

You only have to look at how Labour has pushed that disgusting Tom Watson against the wishes of many. No doubt it was a prid quo pro for some equally disgusting Tory.

The elite in this country have given us the illusion of democracy not the reality.

As the responses have all indicated, avoiding this is essential. How to achieve it is the challenge, but it is surely achievable. It just requires some imagination. I don't think the politicians will object. Remember they spend time in opposition as well as in government and having independent, objective scrutiny will be in their interests then as much as anyone else's.

Parliament would remain sovereign, and all a second chamber can do is review and recommend. It cannot over-rule.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (22 Nov 2022 10.27am)

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Very idealistic.

Any chamber that is not directly elected will be subverted by the politicians of all parties.

If they can't choose who goes in the upper house they will choose the people who make the choice so it becomes selection by proxy.

You only have to look at how Labour has pushed that disgusting Tom Watson against the wishes of many. No doubt it was a prid quo pro for some equally disgusting Tory.

The elite in this country have given us the illusion of democracy not the reality.

As I suspect happens with their pay.

No, what you raise is the most important aspect and without that ensured apolitical set up the whole exercise becomes corrupted and performative.

Personally, I don't think an elected second chamber is desired or needed....However independent regulation would probably be involved. I'm sure that if good minds worked on this a system could be designed....but the will would have to be there.

And Turkey don't vote for Christmas.....and we have a hell of a lot of Turkeys.

 


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