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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 11.38pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Wishbech eagle calls this "medical care"

As Mengele used his qualifications and medical background to justify his actions.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jun 23 11.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course not. Mengele had no compassion for those he used to experiment on.

Those involved in seeking to understand this clinically recognised medical condition, and sometimes to recommend using surgery as a treatment, are driven only by compassion. That you, and others, fail to realise that doesn’t change the motivation.

My own view is that we must develop stringent regulations with several clinicians from various disciplines being involved in the decision making. This is the standard practice in most medical decisions these days. A multi-disciplinary-team, or MDT is established to review everything and reach agreements at every stage. There is no chance of a stray nutcase causing harm. Oversight already ensures that. Now we need to ensure this is more widely understood to avoid the kind of responses to be read here.

I have no more idea than anyone else but I would expect surgery to be a last resort option in most cases and only used when the potential risk of self harm, and suicide, is thought to be really serious.

You have no idea whether anyone has compassion you are literally waffling.

Your disfigurement of language to justify these disgusting and outright criminal procedures is an outrage. It's language such as this which those mutilated children should be pointed towards to see the utter evil that words can justify later in life when a percent inevitably regret the irreversible destruction of their lives.

Let's make it very easy, read carefully.

There are no....I repeat no....circumstances in any instance where it is morally justified to mutilate a child's sexual organs. It's no different to the sexual age of consent....they are simply not old enough to consent.

You and all those who seek to justify this, like Biden and the progressives, are extremists and no amount of false language can cloak that reality.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 11.51pm)

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Jun 23 12.12am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have no idea whether anyone has compassion you are literally waffling.

Your disfigurement of language to justify these disgusting and outright criminal procedures is an outrage. It's language such as this which those mutilated children should be pointed towards to see the utter evil that words can justify later in life when a percent inevitably regret the irreversible destruction of their lives.

Let's make it very easy, read carefully.

There are no....I repeat no....circumstances in any instance where it is morally justified to mutilate a child's sexual organs. It's no different to the sexual age of consent....they are simply not old enough to consent.

You and all those who seek to justify this, like Biden and the progressives, are extremists and no amount of false language can cloak that reality.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 11.51pm)

It’s horrific to imagine that the current environment not only allows individuals to contest this statement but actually empowers and encourages them to do so. Some even narcissistically base their reasoning on their own ‘compassion’ which is unfathomably ironic. Imagine being so easily indoctrinated you feel compelled to form a narrative to convince yourself if not others you are in some sort of right.

I recall my younger years and still to this day have trouble reading, hearing about or seeing any old footage of the Nazis and really connecting to the insanity of human beings, en masse, being so easily manipulated to participate in such mind boggling, heinous atrocities. This is on a par and perhaps I am one of many Germans back then who no doubt went quietly about their lives aware of this but thinking ‘well, what can I do about it as one person?’ At least we have a forum to capture some sanity albeit that is routinely attempted to be sabotaged.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 23 12.34am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

It’s horrific to imagine that the current environment not only allows individuals to contest this statement but actually empowers and encourages them to do so. Some even narcissistically base their reasoning on their own ‘compassion’ which is unfathomably ironic. Imagine being so easily indoctrinated you feel compelled to form a narrative to convince yourself if not others you are in some sort of right.

I recall my younger years and still to this day have trouble reading, hearing about or seeing any old footage of the Nazis and really connecting to the insanity of human beings, en masse, being so easily manipulated to participate in such mind boggling, heinous atrocities. This is on a par and perhaps I am one of many Germans back then who no doubt went quietly about their lives aware of this but thinking ‘well, what can I do about it as one person?’ At least we have a forum to capture some sanity albeit that is routinely attempted to be sabotaged.

The Nazis were careful not to speak publicly of what the SS and its offshoots were doing...though the common German army are also not completely innocent. The language used by Goebbels was careful not to reveal the crimes that were committed as even the thirty odd percent of Germans who had voted for them wouldn't have accepted them.....What the Germans did to the slavs and in turn what the slavs later on did back to them was also inhuman.

The disfigurement of language is nothing new.

What happens on a battlefield between soldiers is one thing.....taking innocent commonly autistic children and mutilating them is another.

It is satanic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2023 12.35am)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Jun 23 4.37am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Fact check on Biden's COVID claims.

[Link]

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 23 10.27am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have no idea whether anyone has compassion you are literally waffling.

Your disfigurement of language to justify these disgusting and outright criminal procedures is an outrage. It's language such as this which those mutilated children should be pointed towards to see the utter evil that words can justify later in life when a percent inevitably regret the irreversible destruction of their lives.

Let's make it very easy, read carefully.

There are no....I repeat no....circumstances in any instance where it is morally justified to mutilate a child's sexual organs. It's no different to the sexual age of consent....they are simply not old enough to consent.

You and all those who seek to justify this, like Biden and the progressives, are extremists and no amount of false language can cloak that reality.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 11.51pm)

The whole ethical basis of medicine is compassion and care for others. So whilst you can, very rarely, find a bad apple, those involved, as a body of professionals, can be rightly described as compassionate. It's what they do.

I have never expressed an opinion on at what age, or what treatments, should be considered. I am not qualified to make those judgments and nor, so far as I am aware, is anyone else posting here. At what age someone gains sufficient ability to make an informed decision about their future will vary greatly. Some may never. That's for the professionals to determine. Not us.

Our representatives must, and will, establish a regulatory framework to guide those involved, which will set where the borders are. They will do that after consultation with all interested parties, and listening to the experts.

I would expect that to say that there is a minimum age before which informed consent is not possible.

I would expect that to say what procedures are permitted in what set of circumstances and how the decisions to proceed are to be reached. Simply ruling anything out, because the idea is personally distasteful, serves no one, and lacks compassion. When you are not the person involved you must not impose your personal beliefs on them.

Clinicians don't mutilate. They operate. If someone's "sex organs" are as useless to them as an appendix is to us, then we ought to allow them to make their own decisions about them. After due process and at the appropriate age.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 23 10.35am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Fact check on Biden's COVID claims.

[Link]

We've been here before.

As that piece says it seems he overstated the position in some unscripted ad hoc remarks, but also made other accurate claims.

We all do that occasionally. When the driving motivation was to encourage people to get vaccinated, in an environment clouded by anti-vax propaganda, I think cutting anyone a bit of slack in such circumstances is necessary.

Pillorying him for this just adds fuel to the propaganda and serves no one.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 17 Jun 23 10.38am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The whole ethical basis of medicine is compassion and care for others. So whilst you can, very rarely, find a bad apple, those involved, as a body of professionals, can be rightly described as compassionate. It's what they do.

I have never expressed an opinion on at what age, or what treatments, should be considered. I am not qualified to make those judgments and nor, so far as I am aware, is anyone else posting here. At what age someone gains sufficient ability to make an informed decision about their future will vary greatly. Some may never. That's for the professionals to determine. Not us.

Our representatives must, and will, establish a regulatory framework to guide those involved, which will set where the borders are. They will do that after consultation with all interested parties, and listening to the experts.

I would expect that to say that there is a minimum age before which informed consent is not possible.

I would expect that to say what procedures are permitted in what set of circumstances and how the decisions to proceed are to be reached. Simply ruling anything out, because the idea is personally distasteful, serves no one, and lacks compassion. When you are not the person involved you must not impose your personal beliefs on them.

Clinicians don't mutilate. They operate. If someone's "sex organs" are as useless to them as an appendix is to us, then we ought to allow them to make their own decisions about them. After due process and at the appropriate age.

Hopefully, one day these charlatans will be called to account for their child abuse. The support of them by some is deplorable.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Jun 23 11.05am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We've been here before.

As that piece says it seems he overstated the position in some unscripted ad hoc remarks, but also made other accurate claims.

We all do that occasionally. When the driving motivation was to encourage people to get vaccinated, in an environment clouded by anti-vax propaganda, I think cutting anyone a bit of slack in such circumstances is necessary.

Pillorying him for this just adds fuel to the propaganda and serves no one.

It's not so much what he said as the effect his words had. Telling the country they were completely safe when they weren't could, and may, have had serious consequences.

 

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eaglesdare Flag 17 Jun 23 11.08am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We've been here before.

As that piece says it seems he overstated the position in some unscripted ad hoc remarks, but also made other accurate claims.

We all do that occasionally. When the driving motivation was to encourage people to get vaccinated, in an environment clouded by anti-vax propaganda, I think cutting anyone a bit of slack in such circumstances is necessary.

Pillorying him for this just adds fuel to the propaganda and serves no one.

Sleepy joe still made the false comments there is no escaping it. I thought you loved the fact checkers? You have now two examples of fact checks done on his comments and you still pretty much dismiss them.

You have provided fact checked material to support your other arguments. But when somthing you don't like or does not fit your agenda or propaganda then you wave it away essentially.

It's now been fact checked by two sources that sleepy joe made false statements and provided misinformation.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 23 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Hopefully, one day these charlatans will be called to account for their child abuse. The support of them by some is deplorable.

Indeed, the deliberate fence sitting and hiding behind white coats on such an obvious situation reveals the moral vacuum here.

Bill Hicks summed up the ethics of some of the marketing type rather well.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2023 2.10pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 1.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

It’s horrific to imagine that the current environment not only allows individuals to contest this statement but actually empowers and encourages them to do so. Some even narcissistically base their reasoning on their own ‘compassion’ which is unfathomably ironic. Imagine being so easily indoctrinated you feel compelled to form a narrative to convince yourself if not others you are in some sort of right.

I recall my younger years and still to this day have trouble reading, hearing about or seeing any old footage of the Nazis and really connecting to the insanity of human beings, en masse, being so easily manipulated to participate in such mind boggling, heinous atrocities. This is on a par and perhaps I am one of many Germans back then who no doubt went quietly about their lives aware of this but thinking ‘well, what can I do about it as one person?’ At least we have a forum to capture some sanity albeit that is routinely attempted to be sabotaged.

It's disappointing to read this from you. I know our political views differ but you are usually much more open to reason and less dogmatic than many others here.

I won't repeat what I said previously but I don't accept what you suggest is in any way true. Nobody is prepared to "mutilate" anyone, especially children, and those who push this idea are doing a gross disservice to all those involved, and the truth.

 


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