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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 09 Dec 22 4.22pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

But when inflation was low did they never ask for above inflation rises?
Having said that, the public sector (well Civil Servants) have not had a ďdecentĒ pay rise ( anything over 1.5-2%) for many years

Edited by Spiderman (09 Dec 2022 3.05pm)

Much the same as me but my pension as a pro rata amount against my earnings will be nothing compared to the state workers. Every pound as a rise will probably be £1.20 with pension and NI so a 10% rise will in real terms as is the go to saying now be a 12% rise. This is mainly political to force the tories hand. Sunak should bite the bullet, call an election, lose and hand over to labour as they appear to have all the answers. I mean money trees are us will be their slogan as they will need a few when they get in. A fair few people are going to regret their cross going in that box on voting night.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Dec 22 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by beak

Well, Liz Truss was (until common sense prevailed) happy to spend £65 billion on UNFUNDED tax cuts,what the government can and cannot afford is a specious argument, they can always afford things they support but not anything to do with working class wages.

We all know how the markets reacted after The Truss and Kwarteng experiment with the public finances.The UK is near the limit of what the markets will allow it to borrow on acceptable terms.

Apropos the industrial action, Labour are sitting on the fence whilst making sympathetic noises to the unions. The strikes will affect the very working classes that Labour purport to support.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 09 Dec 22 5.30pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

It's fair to say that there's plenty of people in the Private sector that have not even gotten a wage rise, yet alone one equal to inflation for several years. Where's the outrage for those bosses?

The private sector has trades unions,if you do not get a pay rise join your union and fight tooth and nail for a decent wage increase,you never know it might let you heat the house for ten minutes a day.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 09 Dec 22 7.08pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Paying inflation-level increases to all 5.7 million public sector workers (Not including rail and postal employees) would cost £28 BILLION which the Government can not afford.

This figure would be even greater if nurse received the pay award they are demanding and if rail and Royal Mail employees were taken into account.

You mention the soaring energy prices,the Government has found £55 BILLION to support households during this crisis.

Good job the MP's got their own inflation-busting pay-rises pushed through with minimal media coverage.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Dec 22 7.26pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Good job the MP's got their own inflation-busting pay-rises pushed through with minimal media coverage.

Their pay increase was 2.7% as agreed by the IPSA.
This was the first increase in pay for MPs in 2 years and follows the average of increases across the public sector last year.

Edited by Willo (09 Dec 2022 7.28pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Dec 22 6.02am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by beak

The private sector has trades unions,if you do not get a pay rise join your union and fight tooth and nail for a decent wage increase,you never know it might let you heat the house for ten minutes a day.

The private unions are mainly for a defence for unsafe working or unfair dismissal. Yes some companies are unionised for pay but would not create the mayhem that the state workers are doing. Itís basically holding us to ransom by trying to oust hmg through the back door. It wonít work as hmg arnt budging so all that happens is we all get on with it and these strikers hopefully lose a days pay each time. Thatís more money back in the coffers

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 10 Dec 22 6.55am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

& the drive to find / fund / install technology to replace the rail workers gathers pace because the current system is so fragile.

Originally posted by cryrst

The private unions are mainly for a defence for unsafe working or unfair dismissal. Yes some companies are unionised for pay but would not create the mayhem that the state workers are doing. Itís basically holding us to ransom by trying to oust hmg through the back door. It wonít work as hmg arnt budging so all that happens is we all get on with it and these strikers hopefully lose a days pay each time. Thatís more money back in the coffers

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 10 Dec 22 8.13am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by beak

So are you suggesting that the Trades Union members should accept a wage rise LESS that inflation and in real terms CUT their wages in real spending terms? In the current climate of soaring energy and food prices that is hard to envisage.

Yes!
I have as have millions in the private sector.
We also do not have ridiculous working practises that costs hundreds of millions every year.
This mayhem is co-ordinated anarchy and it needs to stop.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 22 9.35pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by beak

So are you suggesting that the Trades Union members should accept a wage rise LESS that inflation and in real terms CUT their wages in real spending terms? In the current climate of soaring energy and food prices that is hard to envisage.

Of course they should. If the cake has shrunk then we all need to share the pain. Those in work and earning above the average need to take a bigger share.

If anyone is allowed to succeed in using their muscle to force a higher settlement than the principle above then everyone else will take a bigger hit, inflation will sore and we all lose.

No-one escapes. I am on a pension but am family comfortable. I worked both hard and smart to achieve where I am but I think people like me also should pay. more.

Every current strike is irresponsible and shortsighted. None deserve support.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 11 Dec 22 10.18pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

We don't always agree Wisbech but On this we do - 100%!

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 22 11.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

The co-ordinated strike action over the Christmas period by hard-left militant union leaders is nothing short of despicable and disgraceful and will affect ordinary working families these unions purport to support.

This is the time of year when those employed in bars and restaurants, in hospitality,in catering, in hairdressing etc etc have the opportunity to earn some extra money.Businesses are cancelling Christmas parties, shoppers are staying away.Appalling.

Edited by Willo (12 Dec 2022 11.21am)

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 22 11.30am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The co-ordinated strike action over the Christmas period by hard-left militant union leaders is nothing short of despicable and disgraceful and will affect ordinary working families these unions purport to support.

This is the time of year when those employed in bars and restaurants, in hospitality,in catering, in hairdressing etc etc have the opportunity to earn some extra money.Businesses are cancelling Christmas parties, shoppers are staying away.Appalling.

Edited by Willo (12 Dec 2022 11.21am)

I am strongly in favour, primarily from a logical stand point, of labour unions and therefore the utilisation of strikes.

However, post COVID, with economic distress, another England heartbreak etc. I find it hard to justify kicking the majority of people in the teeth by disrupting or even ruining Xmas for them. One time of year with so much gloom there may be a genuine opportunity to clutch at some happiness. The usage of such methodology should be intended to corral and pressure those at the top deemed to be abusive of their workforce. It should not be used to demonstrate to and affect a general public who, in the vast, vast majority, wield no such influence or power and rely upon these workers.

If I were all powerful and these must go ahead, January surely.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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