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cryrst The garden of England 09 Dec 22 4.22pm
Originally posted by Spiderman But when inflation was low did they never ask for above inflation rises? Having said that, the public sector (well Civil Servants) have not had a “decent” pay rise ( anything over 1.5-2%) for many years Edited by Spiderman (09 Dec 2022 3.05pm) Much the same as me but my pension as a pro rata amount against my earnings will be nothing compared to the state workers. Every pound as a rise will probably be Ł1.20 with pension and NI so a 10% rise will in real terms as is the go to saying now be a 12% rise. This is mainly political to force the tories hand. Sunak should bite the bullet, call an election, lose and hand over to labour as they appear to have all the answers. I mean money trees are us will be their slogan as they will need a few when they get in. A fair few people are going to regret their cross going in that box on voting night.
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cryrst

The garden of England 09 Dec 22 4.22pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

But when inflation was low did they never ask for above inflation rises?
Having said that, the public sector (well Civil Servants) have not had a “decent” pay rise ( anything over 1.5-2%) for many years

Edited by Spiderman (09 Dec 2022 3.05pm)

Much the same as me but my pension as a pro rata amount against my earnings will be nothing compared to the state workers. Every pound as a rise will probably be Ł1.20 with pension and NI so a 10% rise will in real terms as is the go to saying now be a 12% rise. This is mainly political to force the tories hand. Sunak should bite the bullet, call an election, lose and hand over to labour as they appear to have all the answers. I mean money trees are us will be their slogan as they will need a few when they get in. A fair few people are going to regret their cross going in that box on voting night.

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Dec 22 4.24pm
Originally posted by beak Well, Liz Truss was (until common sense prevailed) happy to spend Ł65 billion on UNFUNDED tax cuts,what the government can and cannot afford is a specious argument, they can always afford things they support but not anything to do with working class wages. We all know how the markets reacted after The Truss and Kwarteng experiment with the public finances.The UK is near the limit of what the markets will allow it to borrow on acceptable terms. Apropos the industrial action, Labour are sitting on the fence whilst making sympathetic noises to the unions. The strikes will affect the very working classes that Labour purport to support.
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Willo Online

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Dec 22 4.24pm

Originally posted by beak

Well, Liz Truss was (until common sense prevailed) happy to spend Ł65 billion on UNFUNDED tax cuts,what the government can and cannot afford is a specious argument, they can always afford things they support but not anything to do with working class wages.

We all know how the markets reacted after The Truss and Kwarteng experiment with the public finances.The UK is near the limit of what the markets will allow it to borrow on acceptable terms.

Apropos the industrial action, Labour are sitting on the fence whilst making sympathetic noises to the unions. The strikes will affect the very working classes that Labour purport to support.

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beak croydon 09 Dec 22 5.30pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger It's fair to say that there's plenty of people in the Private sector that have not even gotten a wage rise, yet alone one equal to inflation for several years. Where's the outrage for those bosses? The private sector has trades unions,if you do not get a pay rise join your union and fight tooth and nail for a decent wage increase,you never know it might let you heat the house for ten minutes a day.
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beak

croydon 09 Dec 22 5.30pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

It's fair to say that there's plenty of people in the Private sector that have not even gotten a wage rise, yet alone one equal to inflation for several years. Where's the outrage for those bosses?

The private sector has trades unions,if you do not get a pay rise join your union and fight tooth and nail for a decent wage increase,you never know it might let you heat the house for ten minutes a day.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Dec 22 7.08pm
Originally posted by Willo Paying inflation-level increases to all 5.7 million public sector workers (Not including rail and postal employees) would cost Ł28 BILLION which the Government can not afford. This figure would be even greater if nurse received the pay award they are demanding and if rail and Royal Mail employees were taken into account. You mention the soaring energy prices,the Government has found Ł55 BILLION to support households during this crisis. Good job the MP's got their own inflation-busting pay-rises pushed through with minimal media coverage. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by Willo

Paying inflation-level increases to all 5.7 million public sector workers (Not including rail and postal employees) would cost Ł28 BILLION which the Government can not afford.

This figure would be even greater if nurse received the pay award they are demanding and if rail and Royal Mail employees were taken into account.

You mention the soaring energy prices,the Government has found Ł55 BILLION to support households during this crisis.

Good job the MP's got their own inflation-busting pay-rises pushed through with minimal media coverage.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Dec 22 7.26pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Good job the MP's got their own inflation-busting pay-rises pushed through with minimal media coverage. Their pay increase was 2.7% as agreed by the IPSA. This was the first increase in pay for MPs in 2 years and follows the average of increases across the public sector last year. Edited by Willo (09 Dec 2022 7.28pm)
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Willo Online

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Dec 22 7.26pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Good job the MP's got their own inflation-busting pay-rises pushed through with minimal media coverage.

Their pay increase was 2.7% as agreed by the IPSA.
This was the first increase in pay for MPs in 2 years and follows the average of increases across the public sector last year.

Edited by Willo (09 Dec 2022 7.28pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 10 Dec 22 6.02am
Originally posted by beak The private sector has trades unions,if you do not get a pay rise join your union and fight tooth and nail for a decent wage increase,you never know it might let you heat the house for ten minutes a day. The private unions are mainly for a defence for unsafe working or unfair dismissal. Yes some companies are unionised for pay but would not create the mayhem that the state workers are doing. It’s basically holding us to ransom by trying to oust hmg through the back door. It won’t work as hmg arnt budging so all that happens is we all get on with it and these strikers hopefully lose a days pay each time. That’s more money back in the coffers
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cryrst

The garden of England 10 Dec 22 6.02am

Originally posted by beak

The private unions are mainly for a defence for unsafe working or unfair dismissal. Yes some companies are unionised for pay but would not create the mayhem that the state workers are doing. It’s basically holding us to ransom by trying to oust hmg through the back door. It won’t work as hmg arnt budging so all that happens is we all get on with it and these strikers hopefully lose a days pay each time. That’s more money back in the coffers

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Dubai Eagle 10 Dec 22 6.55am
& the drive to find / fund / install technology to replace the rail workers gathers pace because the current system is so fragile. Originally posted by cryrst The private unions are mainly for a defence for unsafe working or unfair dismissal. Yes some companies are unionised for pay but would not create the mayhem that the state workers are doing. It’s basically holding us to ransom by trying to oust hmg through the back door. It won’t work as hmg arnt budging so all that happens is we all get on with it and these strikers hopefully lose a days pay each time. That’s more money back in the coffers
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Dubai Eagle

10 Dec 22 6.55am

& the drive to find / fund / install technology to replace the rail workers gathers pace because the current system is so fragile.

Originally posted by cryrst

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The Dolphin 10 Dec 22 8.13am
Originally posted by beak So are you suggesting that the Trades Union members should accept a wage rise LESS that inflation and in real terms CUT their wages in real spending terms? In the current climate of soaring energy and food prices that is hard to envisage. Yes! I have as have millions in the private sector. We also do not have ridiculous working practises that costs hundreds of millions every year. This mayhem is co-ordinated anarchy and it needs to stop.
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The Dolphin

10 Dec 22 8.13am

Originally posted by beak

So are you suggesting that the Trades Union members should accept a wage rise LESS that inflation and in real terms CUT their wages in real spending terms? In the current climate of soaring energy and food prices that is hard to envisage.

Yes!
I have as have millions in the private sector.
We also do not have ridiculous working practises that costs hundreds of millions every year.
This mayhem is co-ordinated anarchy and it needs to stop.

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Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 22 9.35pm
Originally posted by beak So are you suggesting that the Trades Union members should accept a wage rise LESS that inflation and in real terms CUT their wages in real spending terms? In the current climate of soaring energy and food prices that is hard to envisage. Of course they should. If the cake has shrunk then we all need to share the pain. Those in work and earning above the average need to take a bigger share. If anyone is allowed to succeed in using their muscle to force a higher settlement than the principle above then everyone else will take a bigger hit, inflation will sore and we all lose. No-one escapes. I am on a pension but am family comfortable. I worked both hard and smart to achieve where I am but I think people like me also should pay. more. Every current strike is irresponsible and shortsighted. None deserve support. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle Online

Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 22 9.35pm

Originally posted by beak

Of course they should. If the cake has shrunk then we all need to share the pain. Those in work and earning above the average need to take a bigger share.

If anyone is allowed to succeed in using their muscle to force a higher settlement than the principle above then everyone else will take a bigger hit, inflation will sore and we all lose.

No-one escapes. I am on a pension but am family comfortable. I worked both hard and smart to achieve where I am but I think people like me also should pay. more.

Every current strike is irresponsible and shortsighted. None deserve support.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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The Dolphin 11 Dec 22 10.18pm
We don't always agree Wisbech but On this we do - 100%!
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The Dolphin

11 Dec 22 10.18pm

We don't always agree Wisbech but On this we do - 100%!

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 22 11.20am
The co-ordinated strike action over the Christmas period by hard-left militant union leaders is nothing short of despicable and disgraceful and will affect ordinary working families these unions purport to support. This is the time of year when those employed in bars and restaurants, in hospitality,in catering, in hairdressing etc etc have the opportunity to earn some extra money.Businesses are cancelling Christmas parties, shoppers are staying away.Appalling. Edited by Willo (12 Dec 2022 11.21am)
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Willo Online

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 22 11.20am

The co-ordinated strike action over the Christmas period by hard-left militant union leaders is nothing short of despicable and disgraceful and will affect ordinary working families these unions purport to support.

This is the time of year when those employed in bars and restaurants, in hospitality,in catering, in hairdressing etc etc have the opportunity to earn some extra money.Businesses are cancelling Christmas parties, shoppers are staying away.Appalling.

Edited by Willo (12 Dec 2022 11.21am)

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 22 11.30am
Originally posted by Willo The co-ordinated strike action over the Christmas period by hard-left militant union leaders is nothing short of despicable and disgraceful and will affect ordinary working families these unions purport to support. This is the time of year when those employed in bars and restaurants, in hospitality,in catering, in hairdressing etc etc have the opportunity to earn some extra money.Businesses are cancelling Christmas parties, shoppers are staying away.Appalling. Edited by Willo (12 Dec 2022 11.21am) I am strongly in favour, primarily from a logical stand point, of labour unions and therefore the utilisation of strikes. However, post COVID, with economic distress, another England heartbreak etc. I find it hard to justify kicking the majority of people in the teeth by disrupting or even ruining Xmas for them. One time of year with so much gloom there may be a genuine opportunity to clutch at some happiness. The usage of such methodology should be intended to corral and pressure those at the top deemed to be abusive of their workforce. It should not be used to demonstrate to and affect a general public who, in the vast, vast majority, wield no such influence or power and rely upon these workers. If I were all powerful and these must go ahead, January surely. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 22 11.30am

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (12 Dec 2022 11.21am)

I am strongly in favour, primarily from a logical stand point, of labour unions and therefore the utilisation of strikes.

However, post COVID, with economic distress, another England heartbreak etc. I find it hard to justify kicking the majority of people in the teeth by disrupting or even ruining Xmas for them. One time of year with so much gloom there may be a genuine opportunity to clutch at some happiness. The usage of such methodology should be intended to corral and pressure those at the top deemed to be abusive of their workforce. It should not be used to demonstrate to and affect a general public who, in the vast, vast majority, wield no such influence or power and rely upon these workers.

If I were all powerful and these must go ahead, January surely.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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