I think it adds a bit of context to the claim that women were 'happier' in the fifties, that may be partially true but on the other hand fewer lobotomies is probably a good thing.

My grievance here is with the enforcement of Policing for something which is unlikely to yield the perhaps necessary result. Again, echoing my previous post, it isn’t entirely clear where the law should sit on this one and there are many other instances which are similar and perhaps more worthy of action which go unattended. That is very subjective from me given my lack of patience and ire with these circumstances however my stance on the law remains the same.

I stand by my claim it seems ideologically motivated. For one example, whilst not to be conflated with a million other contributory factors to mass imprisonment, it was still not uncommon for black men to be arrested, and often jailed, for such things as ‘loitering’ in the first half of the 20th century in America. I would find it hard not to see that as a hangover from slavery and an abuse of police power. This comes across as a similar action - a person we don’t want being somewhere we don’t want them to be, let’s arrest them at the very least in unclear circumstances that we are able to manipulate to justify ourselves and achieve the results we desire. The law may even be a huge contributory factor here and perhaps that needs sharpening to justify fully this arrest. As it stands, it is still the equating of silent prayer to protest, very dubious.

As for smoking, your suggestion I should give up cigarettes is risible. I should have given up long ago or almost definitely not even started. The day we enter a new calendar year on at least 30 PL points I’ll consider it.

COYP

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

She was standing silently in a public street and said she might have been praying. It was not an offence to stand silently in the street. Her alleged offence is silently praying regardless of the content of the supposed prayer. A law that persecutes you for silently praying, is repressive and should be opposed by anyone who values our personal freedoms.

Rizlable is very very good, even more so as you may be unaware but I smoke roll ups.

I’m not comparing this woman’s arrest with racism in the United States just to be clear, merely an ambiguous application of the law - the practice. I thought that was already quite clear and I’d appreciate the avoidance of obfuscating my point and provoking hysteria by suggesting I am. You have stated that ‘praying in the head was not thought of’ which is fair enough on the law makers behalf but the enforcers can’t just then change, adapt or make up the law to suit aims, which is inferred. That is unless of course the ideology to which they are subservient requires them to achieve aims by whatever means.

You don’t have to ‘keep on saying this’ as I have grasped your point, you have not grasped mine. ‘Tis I who has to ‘keep saying’, I’ve repeated myself several times now. The irony of being arrested for not doing something ‘voluntarily’ is of course hilarious. Your argument is still contingent on what is technically legal and why it is justified, subjectively. Mine is that whilst it may be the case, I do not believe this is an appropriate application of the law, or even appropriate legislation (banning prayer has to be ‘WTF’), very different things. Please grasp that. I could provide a ridiculous yet helpful example if necessary?

I am seeing this as you unwilling to accept anything other than my bowing to your every word and thought. I’m not actually arguing against much you’ve said really, but you have failed to address my particular focus and I am inclined to believe this is due to your emotional connection to the abortion issue, which I have not even commented on yet (methinks).

I’ll therefore leave it at that and even if this has irked me, and if you seek to claim some sort of victory over this exchange, I’ll wish you nothing but a joyous celebration of the new year, joyous revelry in a much needed Palace win and all the best going forward.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

You’ve reminded me of the incident in the States when a guy went into Walmart to get a cake made with the Confederate flag iced on the top. They refused. So he went back with another request for a different flag on the cake, which they made for him. The black and white ISIS flag on the cake was considered acceptable…

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.