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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Dec 22 11.23am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Had Zaha been marauding forward and a Fulham defender stopped his progress in such a manner our supporters would have been baying for a 'Yellow'.

Aproros the second goal, it is no doubt that the ball made contact with Mitrovic's hand but the referee clearly deemed it was accidental.Subjectivity enters the equation.

With regard to an appeal, Tomkins was issued with a 'Yellow', and an appeal for a 'Yellow' is not permitted.


Edited by Willo (29 Dec 2022 10.16am)

Dermot Gallagher was floundering when trying to justify the yellow. Stephen Warnick was spot on when he ASU’s’ if he considered it an elbow it should have been a straight red. Then it would go to VAR and would have been overturned” Gallagher did not disagree

 

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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 29 Dec 22 11.28am Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

Sadly, the world has been given confirmation that Fulham's play is "whiter than white" not one yellow card, and Palace (with two sent off) are the dirtiest team in the league. It will be interesting to review the refereeing that is applied to protect the gentle sportsmen of Bournemouth from the aggression that is provided from S E 25.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Dec 22 11.34am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Dermot Gallagher was floundering when trying to justify the yellow. Stephen Warnick was spot on when he ASU’s’ if he considered it an elbow it should have been a straight red. Then it would go to VAR and would have been overturned” Gallagher did not disagree

If Andy Madley had deemed it an elbow incident he would have reached for the 'Red' card. It seems as though he viewed it as an attempt to prevent Mitrovic bearing down on goal.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Dec 22 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

If Andy Madley had deemed it an elbow incident he would have reached for the 'Red' card. It seems as though he viewed it as an attempt to prevent Mitrovic bearing down on goal.

That’s not what Tompkins was saying as he came off the pitch. He quite clearly was showing that the ref had said it was an elbow .
Mitrovic clearly stopped himself by deliberately running into Tompkins. Ref could not have seen it and linesman did not flag, ridiculous decision

Edited by Spiderman (29 Dec 2022 12.17pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Dec 22 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

That’s not what Tompkins was saying as he came off the pitch. He quite clearly was showing that the ref had said it was an elbow

Perhaps the referee made a movement with his arm suggesting it was an arm across Mitrovic preventing his progress to goal but Tomkins assumed that Andy Madley was suggesting it was a deliberate elbow to the face. Pure speculation of course.

Of course there is a difference between thrusting an elbow into the face or raising one's arm and the player makes contact with the elbow.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 29 Dec 22 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Especially when the onrushing attacking player is approaching from behind with plenty of opportunity to avoid the stationary ball shielding defender -

To me Mitrovic knew exactly what he was doing by running into the back of Tompkins arm & then collapsing in a heap holding his face for maximum effect to get a fellow professional player (whom they had identified as a weak link) a second yellow / red carded -

I view it as cynical cheating -

Originally posted by Willo

Perhaps the referee made a movement with his arm suggesting it was an arm across Mitrovic preventing his progress to goal but Tomkins assumed that Andy Madley was suggesting it was a deliberate elbow to the face. Pure speculation of course.

Of course there is a difference between thrusting an elbow into the face or raising one's arm and the player makes contact with the elbow.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Dec 22 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

You are absolutely correct regards accidental handball, however the law was amended for the start of last season.
What is deemed 'Accidental' is of course a matter of opinion where subjectivity enters the equation.

There was clearly a difference of opinion between the VAR and the referee and I suspect these parties have had or will have a debate about the decision !!


Edited by Willo (29 Dec 2022 10.50am)

To be clear, this is the amended law transcript.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 29 Dec 22 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Honestly Spider -
First few minutes, Diop (Fulham 31) grabs Wilf around the waist to prevent him spinning on a sixpence to chase the ball over the top which would have had the effect of leaving Diop for dead, the ref laughed & waved play on & whilst running away he indicated that Wilf was in the wrong - from that moment on I knew it was going to be a long afternoon -

Originally posted by Spiderman

It was his smug grin as he walked off at the end that irritated me

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Dec 22 1.50pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Thread on bbs suggests it was started when some younger members of the HF were subjected to racial abuse.
Unbelievable that this is happening between Palace fans.

I'd strongly contest the assertion they are 'Palace fans' Spidey.

I am inclined to hypothesise that too many halfwits spent too much of lockdown watching 'The Football Factory' and likewise on DVD and have returned to the real world even further deluded.

To expand upon this, anecdotally, I'm still young but I do remember the dying embers of the old days, the early 90's, where I recall some real fisticuffs and seeing some blokes who I would very much describe as 'scary/rough/brutish' etc. indulging in aggro outside of Selhurst Park, both home and away fans.

As a contrast, a few times this season I have seen what I would regard as 'mobs' at Palace. For lack of articulation, I would describe them as 'embarrassing'. They look as though their mums made them sandwiches and paid for their clothes before they set off to cause trouble.

Now I understand where football violence/hooliganism is borne from, tribal behaviour is very natural and appealing to many young men. However, what I see today is a joke and a very, very poor imitation of years past. I mean this with all sincerity, I would not hesitate to jump into about 10/15 of these types now, without too much fear of my physical condition. As to how that might arise I have no idea, it's the furthest thing from any desire I have, least of all at Palace. It's one thing to say 'it has no place' which is correct, but another entirely to say this is cringeworthy and a nuisance at worst.

As for 'racial abuse', that might constitute something that would stir me to action. I can't accept that at Palace. Firstly, I would not accept that sort of behaviour from anyone ludicrously claiming to be a 'Palace fan' and secondly I would actively promote their removal/barring if not having their heads kicked in. I would hope, as with many, Palace is such a huge part of my identity and I would not let the identity and experienced be hijacked by such peoples.

I sit comfortably in the Glazier's now, mainly for the old man's comfort, so have not been privy to any of this (it's actually quite lovely there, I recently took pics of/for some FC Koln fans who were on a tourist trip after I got there a couple hours early one day) but I sincerely hope it is a fad that dies out, if nothing else, due to it's farcical existence.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Dec 22 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I'd strongly contest the assertion they are 'Palace fans' Spidey.

I am inclined to hypothesise that too many halfwits spent too much of lockdown watching 'The Football Factory' and likewise on DVD and have returned to the real world even further deluded.

To expand upon this, anecdotally, I'm still young but I do remember the dying embers of the old days, the early 90's, where I recall some real fisticuffs and seeing some blokes who I would very much describe as 'scary/rough/brutish' etc. indulging in aggro outside of Selhurst Park, both home and away fans.

As a contrast, a few times this season I have seen what I would regard as 'mobs' at Palace. For lack of articulation, I would describe them as 'embarrassing'. They look as though their mums made them sandwiches and paid for their clothes before they set off to cause trouble.

Now I understand where football violence/hooliganism is borne from, tribal behaviour is very natural and appealing to many young men. However, what I see today is a joke and a very, very poor imitation of years past. I mean this with all sincerity, I would not hesitate to jump into about 10/15 of these types now, without too much fear of my physical condition. As to how that might arise I have no idea, it's the furthest thing from any desire I have, least of all at Palace. It's one thing to say 'it has no place' which is correct, but another entirely to say this is cringeworthy and a nuisance at worst.

As for 'racial abuse', that might constitute something that would stir me to action. I can't accept that at Palace. Firstly, I would not accept that sort of behaviour from anyone ludicrously claiming to be a 'Palace fan' and secondly I would actively promote their removal/barring if not having their heads kicked in. I would hope, as with many, Palace is such a huge part of my identity and I would not let the identity and experienced be hijacked by such peoples.

I sit comfortably in the Glazier's now, mainly for the old man's comfort, so have not been privy to any of this (it's actually quite lovely there, I recently took pics of/for some FC Koln fans who were on a tourist trip after I got there a couple hours early one day) but I sincerely hope it is a fad that dies out, if nothing else, due to it's farcical existence.

My take on this is that there is quite a nasty group from New Addington that is jealous of the scale of the HF and wants to be the big cheese locally, including at the Palace. This (smallish) group is all sorts of not nice.

They keep trying to rile members of the HF and sometimes succeed. They are likely a hell of a lot tougher than the HF, which largely is quite a mild lot in my experience of standing with them home and away for quite a while.

At some point the New Addington crew does need dealing with and I neither think that is down to the HF nor that its members, in general, are truly capable of standing up to them. They need to be singled out and banned before things get seriously out of hand.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Dec 22 5.54pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

My take on this is that there is quite a nasty group from New Addington that is jealous of the scale of the HF and wants to be the big cheese locally, including at the Palace. This (smallish) group is all sorts of not nice.

They keep trying to rile members of the HF and sometimes succeed. They are likely a hell of a lot tougher than the HF, which largely is quite a mild lot in my experience of standing with them home and away for quite a while.

At some point the New Addington crew does need dealing with and I neither think that is down to the HF nor that its members, in general, are truly capable of standing up to them. They need to be singled out and banned before things get seriously out of hand.

And I sincerely hope they are.

Again, the term 'Palace fan' seems inappropriate for me. Nothing really endears me more towards another than their supporting of Palace, beyond family of course. If you want to indulge in football hooliganism by all means be my guest, but do it so it has some reasoning behind it, other fans perhaps.

Are you more, at least, 'aware' of this lot Maple? Are they quite young? Perhaps we should form a firm constituting of HoL members? We could get Willo to do our PR and social media. That ought to disorientate and scare quite a few off before a punch is even thrown!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Dec 22 6.16pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

And I sincerely hope they are.

Again, the term 'Palace fan' seems inappropriate for me. Nothing really endears me more towards another than their supporting of Palace, beyond family of course. If you want to indulge in football hooliganism by all means be my guest, but do it so it has some reasoning behind it, other fans perhaps.

Are you more, at least, 'aware' of this lot Maple? Are they quite young? Perhaps we should form a firm constituting of HoL members? We could get Willo to do our PR and social media. That ought to disorientate and scare quite a few off before a punch is even thrown!

No. I just remember stuff

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