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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jan 23 9.30am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Interesting - especially the following paragraph from the Brentford site:

"There has been a recent change in Premier League rules which means that, by the start of the 2024/25 season, all Premier League clubs must have an Academy at Category Three level or higher. The opening of a Category Four Academy is a step towards eventually complying with the new regulations. It is also necessary to have an Academy in order to gain a licence to compete in UEFA competitions".

Thanks for that Willo. That should put to bed arguments about whether or not to have an Academy.

Edited by doombear (13 Jan 2023 9.21am)

My pleasure.You are very welcome.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Online Flag Ware 13 Jan 23 10.01am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think we have reached the Ceiling as a club, unless some billionaire comes along, if we had a 40.000 seat stadium, we wouldn't fill it every week, sustainability is what it is all about, mid table and a cup one day (hopefully) should be our ambitions, trying to play like Man City without the players is ridiculous and will end up with relegation, as for the academy it questionable if it is worth the money is debatable, if you provide one premier league standard a year then yes, if not go down the Brentford route and not have one.

Agree, Although I think that it's not unreasonable to think that we can see some improvement on the playing side over time. There's been some good work behind the scenes, which I think everyone acknowledges, but for this not to be for nothing, then we must not neglect the playing side.
We have either been complacent, or unrealistic in our squad and transfer activity. Both of these these will ultimately lead to relegation if allowed to continue.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 13 Jan 23 10.08am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Interesting - especially the following paragraph from the Brentford site:

"There has been a recent change in Premier League rules which means that, by the start of the 2024/25 season, all Premier League clubs must have an Academy at Category Three level or higher. The opening of a Category Four Academy is a step towards eventually complying with the new regulations. It is also necessary to have an Academy in order to gain a licence to compete in UEFA competitions".

Thanks for that Willo. That should put to bed arguments about whether or not to have an Academy.

Edited by doombear (13 Jan 2023 9.21am)

So in 18 months' time, the Academy will become Premier-League-and-UEFA-mandated tick-box exercise bulls***.

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Jan 23 10.09am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by tonymair

For all that has been achieved since 2010Ö
Survival in the most demanding league in professional football globally, impresses.
An Academy and infrastructure of note, too, which is recognised.
And even if the stadium improvement occurs, well, when?
Why am I still waiting for more?
Why do I sense inertia is set, and we are moribund?
Why do I not feel the ambition exists, which, I have for our team?
Why do I not feel we play with the excitement and freedom I see from the Bees and the Seagulls, who we now trail.
Whatís missing?
What am I missing?

I donít think youíre alone with that.

My perception is that the likes of Brentford and Brighton have less ownership issues. Although Parish runs the day to day club business, heís reliant on the buy-in of the other three owners/investors when it comes to the big decisions. And of course that includes funding. Tony Bloom has brought in top administrative talent eg Barber, Ashworth etc., but heís ultimately the owner and decision maker, albeit guided by the aforementioned ( although of course Ashworth is now at Newcastle ). That gives them a huge advantage over our set up.

So I think that at least two of our owners, Harris and Blitzer , are unwilling to do anything more than see Palace remain a mid table club. Without the ability to regularly, as opposed to in two/ three year cycles, compete in the transfer market we need to develop our own talent. Hence the investment in the Academy. That in itself provides no guarantees that it will be successful, but to have a competitive edge it is needed.

As for the playing side, I think that Vieira did a very good job last season. That should have laid the foundations for an incremental improvement this season. But that has taken a step backwards largely because the squad wasnít invested in and outgoing players not replaced. Although points wise itís much the same, this season hasnít had the feel good factor of last year.

As for the stadium development, Iím pretty ambivalent about it. I understand the proís of getting it done but itís dragged on for so long now that Iíve lost interest. It will inevitably mean that financial resources will be pointed in that direction. The danger is that we have a lovely new stand in which to watch Championship football.

Blimey, I need cheering upÖ..apologies for length of post


 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 13 Jan 23 10.13am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Its great to have ambition and want for more. The difficulty we are in is having to temper that ambition. As even the teams in and around us spend significantly more than we do.

But even with investment, its no guarantee of stability or progress. Look at Wolves, Everton, West Ham, all in trouble and big spenders/

Every so often teams will have a purple season and punch way above their weight, but in almost all occasions its a 1 off, and they soon sink back down the table to a more reasonable position.

Whilst in the context of the footballing pyramid we are doing really well, its really hard to be happy with middle table every season.

But that is realistically the best we can hope for. Now as an established prem team, my expectations/hopes are

Relatively comfortable midtable finish every season
A couple of big domestic scalps a season
A couple of dominant performances where we bang some goals in
An academy player coming through every couple of years
A domestic cup run every 5 years
And dare I say a European spot in the next 10

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 13 Jan 23 10.33am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

I think the whole thing will feel better once/if a digger starts pulling down the main stand and the replacement starts going up.

Until then, the week to week experience of a Palace fan is only ever a relegation away from watching pretty average players play pretty average teams in a stadium that has slightly better seats in some stands than it did 10 years ago. Being able to point at something and say 'that's better' will be a good milestone.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 13 Jan 23 10.43am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

I think the whole thing will feel better once/if a digger starts pulling down the main stand and the replacement starts going up.

Until then, the week to week experience of a Palace fan is only ever a relegation away from watching pretty average players play pretty average teams in a stadium that has slightly better seats in some stands than it did 10 years ago. Being able to point at something and say 'that's better' will be a good milestone.

I take it you're not a civil engineer or a health and safety professional then!

 


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Originally posted by MrRobbo

Its great to have ambition and want for more. The difficulty we are in is having to temper that ambition. As even the teams in and around us spend significantly more than we do.

But even with investment, its no guarantee of stability or progress. Look at Wolves, Everton, West Ham, all in trouble and big spenders/

Every so often teams will have a purple season and punch way above their weight, but in almost all occasions its a 1 off, and they soon sink back down the table to a more reasonable position.

Whilst in the context of the footballing pyramid we are doing really well, its really hard to be happy with middle table every season.

But that is realistically the best we can hope for. Now as an established prem team, my expectations/hopes are

Relatively comfortable midtable finish every season
A couple of big domestic scalps a season
A couple of dominant performances where we bang some goals in
An academy player coming through every couple of years
A domestic cup run every 5 years
And dare I say a European spot in the next 10

I'd be very happy with comfortably mid table every season, and certainly Statistically that's where we are. It's the manner of how we are achieving it that's worrying. Always looking over our shoulders. Consistency of performance being a mythical beast that no one has seen for eons. Consistency gives a platform to build on.

Last season was the first that gave real hope for the future for a long time, but it was clear to everyone that it was just a start, and more was needed, but it wasn't built on and now we feel somewhat like we are back where we were when RH left - in need of Another overhaul.

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 13 Jan 23 10.49am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by YT

So in 18 months' time, the Academy will become Premier-League-and-UEFA-mandated tick-box exercise bulls***.

is the correct answer

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Jan 23 10.59am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I'd be very happy with comfortably mid table every season, and certainly Statistically that's where we are. It's the manner of how we are achieving it that's worrying. Always looking over our shoulders. Consistency of performance being a mythical beast that no one has seen for eons. Consistency gives a platform to build on.

Last season was the first that gave real hope for the future for a long time, but it was clear to everyone that it was just a start, and more was needed, but it wasn't built on and now we feel somewhat like we are back where we were when RH left - in need of Another overhaul.

Yeah agree with all of that.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 13 Jan 23 11.46am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

That is my concern also, Southampton I guess is one club that had a batch of players come through but that seems to have dried up for now.

I think we are being oversold the benefits of an Academy, of course we need one but I suspect we will only produce the odd player. I guess the best we can hope for is like the bigger clubs we produce a steady stream of lower league players who we hopefully get a transfer fee for.

Is it not something like 5% of Premier league players have came through an academy in this country ?

 

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 13 Jan 23 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

Our ambition is the same as it was when we were promoted in 2013, which is to simply stay in the PL.

Don't expect any investment to push into the top 10.

The investment last summer was needed so we could compete in PL, otherwise we would have gone down.

A cup run is a bonus but it would be a miracle if we won anything.
Whilst a top 10 finish would be one off season (same as Burnley did a couple of seasons ago).

 

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