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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jan 23 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

The club have been criticised on the back of Steve Parish's comment apropos a couple of loans in the January 'Window' although he never suggested that this would be the limit of the club's ambition.
He did allude to the fact that any significant outlay would have to wait until the summer.

I would respectively suggest that with a number of players out of contract at the end of the season the club are cognizant of the fact that significant expenditure will be required in the summer much as it was after Mr Hodgson departed, accordingly expenditure in this 'Window' is likely to be modest.

Mr Parish did mention that we have a "Good points total" at present, there is a cushion between ourselves and the relegation zone and this will factor into financial decisions in relation to player acquisitions in the current window.

In the final analysis, we have to adhere to "Profitability and sustainability", our costs have been around 89% of our turnover and we don't possess a bottomless pit.

Edited by Willo (13 Jan 2023 12.44pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Jan 23 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think we have reached the Ceiling as a club, unless some billionaire comes along, if we had a 40.000 seat stadium, we wouldn't fill it every week, sustainability is what it is all about, mid table and a cup one day (hopefully) should be our ambitions, trying to play like Man City without the players is ridiculous and will end up with relegation, as for the academy it questionable if it is worth the money is debatable, if you provide one premier league standard a year then yes, if not go down the Brentford route and not have one.

And if we stay in the championship for long periods?

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jan 23 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

And if we stay in the championship for long periods?

Leeds prior to their last promotion to the PL spent 16 seasons in the lower divisions.

Nottm Forest prior to their recent promotion to the PL, spent 23 seasons in the lower divisions.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 13 Jan 23 1.17pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

We are the new Coventry City. We would not fill a 40k stadium every week, but we would get 30k+ crowds regularly if we got the new stand - Leicester, Southampton and the weed all saw a jump in numbers with the right stadium. It's going back to pre-Sainsbury's but we got 23 attendances above 40k between 1969 and 79 - I remember 40k v spurs in '77 in Div 2. We got 45k (or more) v Chelsea in the Cup in 69/70 - the following Saturday we got 22k at home to Forest - this shows the massive fair weather support lurking in Surrey which we've never seriously attempted to exploit. Tony Pulis pointed to the real possibility of growing the club when he was here. We should aim for the Wolves, Leicester, Southampton level of size and expectation - a top 8 side who in a good year could break into Europe or win a cup. Brentford are doing wonders, but reading some stuff here it seems people think we should have their level of expectation - we are a bigger club than that - it is dangerous to over reach yourself but we have shrunk as a club since Sainsbury's reduced capacity and we are entitled to expect the right level of expectation from the owners, and the new stand is absolutely key imho to getting us to where we should be.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 13 Jan 23 1.20pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

We are the new Coventry City. We would not fill a 40k stadium every week, but we would get 30k+ crowds regularly if we got the new stand - Leicester, Southampton and the weed all saw a jump in numbers with the right stadium. It's going back to pre-Sainsbury's but we got 23 attendances above 40k between 1969 and 79 - I remember 40k v spurs in '77 in Div 2. We got 45k (or more) v Chelsea in the Cup in 69/70 - the following Saturday we got 22k at home to Forest - this shows the massive fair weather support lurking in Surrey which we've never seriously attempted to exploit. Tony Pulis pointed to the real possibility of growing the club when he was here. We should aim for the Wolves, Leicester, Southampton level of size and expectation - a top 8 side who in a good year could break into Europe or win a cup. Brentford are doing wonders, but reading some stuff here it seems people think we should have their level of expectation - we are a bigger club than that - it is dangerous to over reach yourself but we have shrunk as a club since Sainsbury's reduced capacity and we are entitled to expect the right level of expectation from the owners, and the new stand is absolutely key imho to getting us to where we should be.


Have you seen where these 3 teams are in the league....

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jan 23 1.23pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

We are the new Coventry City. We would not fill a 40k stadium every week, but we would get 30k+ crowds regularly if we got the new stand - Leicester, Southampton and the weed all saw a jump in numbers with the right stadium. It's going back to pre-Sainsbury's but we got 23 attendances above 40k between 1969 and 79 - I remember 40k v spurs in '77 in Div 2. We got 45k (or more) v Chelsea in the Cup in 69/70 - the following Saturday we got 22k at home to Forest - this shows the massive fair weather support lurking in Surrey which we've never seriously attempted to exploit. Tony Pulis pointed to the real possibility of growing the club when he was here. We should aim for the Wolves, Leicester, Southampton level of size and expectation - a top 8 side who in a good year could break into Europe or win a cup. Brentford are doing wonders, but reading some stuff here it seems people think we should have their level of expectation - we are a bigger club than that - it is dangerous to over reach yourself but we have shrunk as a club since Sainsbury's reduced capacity and we are entitled to expect the right level of expectation from the owners, and the new stand is absolutely key imho to getting us to where we should be.

Southampton's old ground 'The Dell' had a capacity of only around 15,000. When Southampton moved to the new ground their crowd's doubled immediately and I believe they had the highest % increase of all clubs that season.

Perhaps there were thousands of Southampton supporters who could not visit 'The Dell' on account of the low capacity and the increase at 'St Mary's' was purely due to the fact that the capacity was double that of 'The Dell'.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 13 Jan 23 1.29pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2


Have you seen where these 3 teams are in the league....

they are temporary blips - it does not lessen the point, Wolves and Leicester are usually above us, Southampton about our level.

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 13 Jan 23 2.44pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Interesting - especially the following paragraph from the Brentford site:

"There has been a recent change in Premier League rules which means that, by the start of the 2024/25 season, all Premier League clubs must have an Academy at Category Three level or higher. The opening of a Category Four Academy is a step towards eventually complying with the new regulations. It is also necessary to have an Academy in order to gain a licence to compete in UEFA competitions".

Thanks for that Willo. That should put to bed arguments about whether or not to have an Academy.

Edited by doombear (13 Jan 2023 9.21am)

I believe that we have only recently received the Premier level which meant that up until then other teams could pinch our local lads and ladies. Hopefully in the future we can bring in the youngsters and hold on to them.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 13 Jan 23 3.37pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

We are the new Coventry City. We would not fill a 40k stadium every week, but we would get 30k+ crowds regularly if we got the new stand - Leicester, Southampton and the weed all saw a jump in numbers with the right stadium. It's going back to pre-Sainsbury's but we got 23 attendances above 40k between 1969 and 79 - I remember 40k v spurs in '77 in Div 2. We got 45k (or more) v Chelsea in the Cup in 69/70 - the following Saturday we got 22k at home to Forest - this shows the massive fair weather support lurking in Surrey which we've never seriously attempted to exploit. Tony Pulis pointed to the real possibility of growing the club when he was here. We should aim for the Wolves, Leicester, Southampton level of size and expectation - a top 8 side who in a good year could break into Europe or win a cup. Brentford are doing wonders, but reading some stuff here it seems people think we should have their level of expectation - we are a bigger club than that - it is dangerous to over reach yourself but we have shrunk as a club since Sainsbury's reduced capacity and we are entitled to expect the right level of expectation from the owners, and the new stand is absolutely key imho to getting us to where we should be.

Except we've never won a major honour.

 


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View georgey wood's Profile georgey wood Flag South London and Proud 13 Jan 23 7.32pm Send a Private Message to georgey wood Add georgey wood as a friend

Our potential is insane! I work with young people in south London and seen in the last 10 years how we’ve gone from a bit of a joke to a cool, desirable team. Young lads in south London now respect being palace. To be fair I work in schools and is the younger black lads who know are Zaha and Eze as role models. Obviously immigrant population and less ingrained like some of the whit lads who are Charlton and Millwall no matter what because of family history and rightly so in my book. Also from an adult perspective I bring mates in the homesdale who support villa and spurs and they love a day out at palace at lots of blokes second teams who would defo watch us if they could get a ticket every week. We would easily fill 35k in my opinion much like west ham would have to start with cheap tickets etc but would work in the end once they see the ultras and have a good day out.

My problem is the manger and team I’m currently watching they have to be attractive which at the moment they’re not passing around the back and creating very little. Also very little huff and puff to even get behind but that’s for another thread!

Up the palace!

 

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View EagleinSF's Profile EagleinSF Flag San Fransisco 13 Jan 23 9.15pm Send a Private Message to EagleinSF Add EagleinSF as a friend

Originally posted by YT

So in 18 months' time, the Academy will become Premier-League-and-UEFA-mandated tick-box exercise bulls***.

Thanks - I needed a laugh!

 

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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 14 Jan 23 3.59pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Surely the main stand will be condemned before much longer. A new stand would at least be something tangible to show for our longest run in the top flight (rather than the £600 million sp**ked so far on players wages).

My biggest question is why is our wage bill so high compared to the likes of Brighton? Is there any money left for transfers? I doubt it.

 

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