You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Overseas Students
June 1 2023 10.52am

Overseas Students

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >

 

View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 23 May 23 10.50pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You do know that obtaining the visa is time-consuming and very expensive?

You do know they aren't allowed to work?

You do know that their visa will be marked "no access to public funds", so no benefits?

You do know that on top of the visa fees they must pay an NHS surcharge to cover their assumed costs for the NHS?

Assuming each student bringing dependents brings an average of 2, that means more than 80% don't. Those that do are hardly a drain on our resources, are they? They come to keep families together and most must be sponsored in some way.

Interesting

How much is the visa and how long does the process take?

How much is the NHS surcharge?

Dependents can work :

"Your Dependants can work in the UK if you are:
a government sponsored student studying on a full time course that is at least six months; or
taking a full-time postgraduate course of 9 months or longer at a Higher Education provider' with 'a track record of compliance' (we meet that requirement); or
studying on a course which is 9 months or more and your full-time course is at degree level or above"

[Link]

Edited by HKOwen (23 May 2023 10.51pm)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 May 23 11.22pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

So which one of these people was your employer previously?

None of them went to Cambridge if that helps


Rafaela Aponte-Diamant: 31.3 billion
Gianluigi Aponte: 13.3 billion
Ernesto Bertarelli: 9.5 billion
Ivan Glasenberg: 9.5 billion
Magdalena Martullo-Blocher: 7.4 billion
Apollo 70 Dollars & 68 Cents
which one of these?

 


Pro USA & Israel

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 May 23 11.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Interesting

How much is the visa and how long does the process take?

How much is the NHS surcharge?

Dependents can work :

"Your Dependants can work in the UK if you are:
a government sponsored student studying on a full time course that is at least six months; or
taking a full-time postgraduate course of 9 months or longer at a Higher Education provider' with 'a track record of compliance' (we meet that requirement); or
studying on a course which is 9 months or more and your full-time course is at degree level or above"

[Link]

Edited by HKOwen (23 May 2023 10.51pm)

That government-sponsored student dependents can work was new to me. I suppose it's because their time here is fairly short and there will be conditions attached to the sponsorship about returning home so no risks are seen. What proportion are government-sponsored isn't known to me. Other international student dependents cannot work.

The visa fee is 490 per head.

The NHS surcharge is 470 pa per head.

Each dependent must prove they have sufficient money available to them to live, on top of that the student must show they have. That is 845 per month in London and 680 per month elsewhere. If they won't be living with the student then they must also prove where they will live and how it will be paid for.

People on visas are expected to cover their own costs.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 May 23 11.35pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

If anyone thinks I am going to name my employer they will be disappointed. They aren't though among those names. It seems they have fallen down the list a little since the last time I checked. Not that it makes a lot of difference when you have several billions to your name.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 May 23 12.05am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If anyone thinks I am going to name my employer they will be disappointed. They aren't though among those names. It seems they have fallen down the list a little since the last time I checked. Not that it makes a lot of difference when you have several billions to your name.

Back to your old ways of attempted self aggrandisement, you've been doing quite well for a few weeks but old habits die hard.

So just to be clear, when you write "One of my employers, now in the top 5 wealthiest people in Switzerland", this is not true

Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 12.09am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 May 23 12.07am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That government-sponsored student dependents can work was new to me. I suppose it's because their time here is fairly short and there will be conditions attached to the sponsorship about returning home so no risks are seen. What proportion are government-sponsored isn't known to me. Other international student dependents cannot work.

The visa fee is 490 per head.

The NHS surcharge is 470 pa per head.

Each dependent must prove they have sufficient money available to them to live, on top of that the student must show they have. That is 845 per month in London and 680 per month elsewhere. If they won't be living with the student then they must also prove where they will live and how it will be paid for.

People on visas are expected to cover their own costs.

It's ok to be wrong

I have not copied your pompous " you do know " which looks very silly when you're wrong

The per capita NHS spend in the UK is somewhere north of GBP 3000 per head so a surcharge of 470 is not going to cover the cost.
Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 2.06am)

Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 2.10am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 May 23 8.48am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Back to your old ways of attempted self aggrandisement, you've been doing quite well for a few weeks but old habits die hard.

So just to be clear, when you write "One of my employers, now in the top 5 wealthiest people in Switzerland", this is not true

Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 12.09am)

It has nothing to do with any "self-aggrandisement"! It was just an example from experience. They were in the top 5 when I last checked, but I don't stay up to date on these things. They got there after selling some of their businesses and retiring. Since then they have been a philanthropist, which could account for the slip down the list. So no. it's apparently no longer true, but it was and perhaps I should have anticipated the pile-on of critics eager to nit pick.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 May 23 8.54am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

It's ok to be wrong

I have not copied your pompous " you do know " which looks very silly when you're wrong

The per capita NHS spend in the UK is somewhere north of GBP 3000 per head so a surcharge of 470 is not going to cover the cost.
Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 2.06am)

Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 2.10am)

Per capita means per head.

That covers every age group.

The cost to the NHS is much lower, on average, for younger people than the elderly.

We are discussing students and their family members. Most of whom are younger people.

It's OK to be wrong.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View newickeagle's Profile newickeagle Flag Newick, E Sussex 24 May 23 9.14am Send a Private Message to newickeagle Add newickeagle as a friend

There is something in all this I am missing, I think. What is wrong with people coming here to work and study? I work in hospitality and we are having to close areas of economic activity because of lack of staff.

Perhaps Govt could look at population policy generally, work out what we need and allocate resources for NHS etc, accordingly.

The economy will not grow without people to work, however you cut it, and if people wish to work here that should be welcomed.

Or, as I say, I'm missing something. But I've lost money due to lack of workers !

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 May 23 9.17am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It has nothing to do with any "self-aggrandisement"! It was just an example from experience. They were in the top 5 when I last checked, but I don't stay up to date on these things. They got there after selling some of their businesses and retiring. Since then they have been a philanthropist, which could account for the slip down the list. So no. it's apparently no longer true, but it was and perhaps I should have anticipated the pile-on of critics eager to nit pick.

There is nit picking and then there is posting nonsense, you did the latter!

Nit picking would be to point out your usual poor use of English, but I won't go there

Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 9.17am)

Edited by HKOwen (24 May 2023 9.21am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 May 23 9.18am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by newickeagle

There is something in all this I am missing, I think. What is wrong with people coming here to work and study? I work in hospitality and we are having to close areas of economic activity because of lack of staff.

Perhaps Govt could look at population policy generally, work out what we need and allocate resources for NHS etc, accordingly.

The economy will not grow without people to work, however you cut it, and if people wish to work here that should be welcomed.

Or, as I say, I'm missing something. But I've lost money due to lack of workers !

There are millions of inactive workers in the country but the government and business would rather import more than persuade those who are on the taxpayer's dime to take these jobs.

The scale of immigration for the last 30 years has been enormous which has led to strains on public services.

 


One more point

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 May 23 9.19am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Per capita means per head.

That covers every age group.

The cost to the NHS is much lower, on average, for younger people than the elderly.

We are discussing students and their family members. Most of whom are younger people.

It's OK to be wrong.

Try not to copy what I write , there's a good chap.

Family members for students are not limited by age, dependents can include parents or even grand parents.

Thank you for explaining what per capita means though

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Overseas Students