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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Aug 23 11.59am
Perhaps one to dismantle the view of some that referees act solely in the interest of objectively officiating a football match, not that I'm naming any names, whether that be Willo or anyone else... [Link] Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Aug 23 11.59am

Perhaps one to dismantle the view of some that referees act solely in the interest of objectively officiating a football match, not that I'm naming any names, whether that be Willo or anyone else...

[Link]

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

The Dolphin 25 Aug 23 12.07pm
It is tantamount to cheating. "Sorry you got relegated but I didn't want my mate to get any more grief even though a VAR decision would have saved you." Dean obviously suffered though and has now gone which is good. It is a tough job and under Webb even more so now.

The Dolphin

25 Aug 23 12.07pm

It is tantamount to cheating.
"Sorry you got relegated but I didn't want my mate to get any more grief even though a VAR decision would have saved you."
Dean obviously suffered though and has now gone which is good. It is a tough job and under Webb even more so now.

eaglesdare 25 Aug 23 12.13pm
I do like what Howard web is doing lately he is trying to make the referee's more transparent and make us see them as human with feelings. It must be hard being a ref booed every game somtimes dreading the weekend. I certainly would not be able for it. I have sat at some neutral games before without the rose tinted palace specs on and the refs get a lot of stick even when they make the right calls. That being said they do make some awful decisions

eaglesdare

25 Aug 23 12.13pm

I do like what Howard web is doing lately he is trying to make the referee's more transparent and make us see them as human with feelings.

It must be hard being a ref booed every game somtimes dreading the weekend. I certainly would not be able for it.

I have sat at some neutral games before without the rose tinted palace specs on and the refs get a lot of stick even when they make the right calls.

That being said they do make some awful decisions

YT Oxford 25 Aug 23 12.18pm
f***ing unbelievable! Except it isn't. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 25 Aug 23 12.18pm

f***ing unbelievable! Except it isn't.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Elpis In a pub 25 Aug 23 12.23pm
VAR is a curse on our game . In the efforts to fix something that didn't need fixing they have in fact broken it . If there was a vote on it today I would say get rid of it .

Elpis

In a pub 25 Aug 23 12.23pm

VAR is a curse on our game . In the efforts to fix something that didn't need fixing they have in fact broken it .

If there was a vote on it today I would say get rid of it .

Badger11 Beckenham 25 Aug 23 12.25pm
Absolute disgrace and just confirms the in built bias some of us have suspected over the years. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 Aug 23 12.25pm

Absolute disgrace and just confirms the in built bias some of us have suspected over the years.

One more point

Spiderman Horsham 25 Aug 23 12.29pm
Originally posted by YT f***ing unbelievable! Except it isn't. Indeed. How many other times have they “helped a mate?” The standard of officiating in the PL is getting worse and after this revelation, who would trust them again! Well, Willo would. The PL likes to claim they are the best league in the World so sort out the officials then!

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Aug 23 12.29pm

Originally posted by YT

f***ing unbelievable! Except it isn't.

Indeed. How many other times have they “helped a mate?” The standard of officiating in the PL is getting worse and after this revelation, who would trust them again! Well, Willo would.
The PL likes to claim they are the best league in the World so sort out the officials then!

Spiderman Horsham 25 Aug 23 12.32pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare I do like what Howard web is doing lately he is trying to make the referee's more transparent and make us see them as human with feelings. It must be hard being a ref booed every game somtimes dreading the weekend. I certainly would not be able for it. I have sat at some neutral games before without the rose tinted palace specs on and the refs get a lot of stick even when they make the right calls. That being said they do make some awful decisions I sit near the tunnel at SP, believe me, the refs seem to revel in the abuse. The look of arrogance on their faces is staggering at times. Would that be the Howard Webb who always seemed to favour Man Utd , when he was a ref? As soon as he retired he admitted being a Utd fan and was wined and dined at Old Trafford

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Aug 23 12.32pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I do like what Howard web is doing lately he is trying to make the referee's more transparent and make us see them as human with feelings.

It must be hard being a ref booed every game somtimes dreading the weekend. I certainly would not be able for it.

I have sat at some neutral games before without the rose tinted palace specs on and the refs get a lot of stick even when they make the right calls.

That being said they do make some awful decisions

I sit near the tunnel at SP, believe me, the refs seem to revel in the abuse. The look of arrogance on their faces is staggering at times.
Would that be the Howard Webb who always seemed to favour Man Utd , when he was a ref? As soon as he retired he admitted being a Utd fan and was wined and dined at Old Trafford

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 12.34pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Perhaps one to dismantle the view of some that referees act solely in the interest of objectively officiating a football match, not that I'm naming any names, whether that be Willo or anyone else... [Link] As you have mentioned my name I thought I would enter the fray. On HOL there have been accusations that I never accept that referees are wrong, however I have always maintained that referees are only human and as human beings they err from time to time having to make split-second decisions in real time in a fast moving game in a frenzied atmosphere. Furthermore, as I have asserted numerous times, their performances are forensically examined after each game.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 12.34pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Perhaps one to dismantle the view of some that referees act solely in the interest of objectively officiating a football match, not that I'm naming any names, whether that be Willo or anyone else...

[Link]

As you have mentioned my name I thought I would enter the fray.

On HOL there have been accusations that I never accept that referees are wrong, however I have always maintained that referees are only human and as human beings they err from time to time having to make split-second decisions in real time in a fast moving game in a frenzied atmosphere.

Furthermore, as I have asserted numerous times, their performances are forensically examined after each game.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 12.36pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I sit near the tunnel at SP, believe me, the refs seem to revel in the abuse. The look of arrogance on their faces is staggering at times. Would that be the Howard Webb who always seemed to favour Man Utd , when he was a ref? As soon as he retired he admitted being a Utd fan and was wined and dined at Old Trafford Howard Webb is a supporter of Rotherham.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 12.36pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I sit near the tunnel at SP, believe me, the refs seem to revel in the abuse. The look of arrogance on their faces is staggering at times.
Would that be the Howard Webb who always seemed to favour Man Utd , when he was a ref? As soon as he retired he admitted being a Utd fan and was wined and dined at Old Trafford

Howard Webb is a supporter of Rotherham.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Aug 23 1.09pm
Originally posted by Willo As you have mentioned my name I thought I would enter the fray. On HOL there have been accusations that I never accept that referees are wrong, however I have always maintained that referees are only human and as human beings they err from time to time having to make split-second decisions in real time in a fast moving game in a frenzied atmosphere. Furthermore, as I have asserted numerous times, their performances are forensically examined after each game. 'Twas all in good jest I hope you appreciate Willo! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Aug 23 1.09pm

Originally posted by Willo

As you have mentioned my name I thought I would enter the fray.

Furthermore, as I have asserted numerous times, their performances are forensically examined after each game.

'Twas all in good jest I hope you appreciate Willo!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Plumpton eagle East Sussex 25 Aug 23 1.16pm
This admission makes a real mockery of the presumed impartiality and "professionalism" of professional referees. Why release this confession now? Has he got a book to sell? Is he hoping to get noticed and be asked onto Strictly? Talk about erode the confidence of sports fans. I really would rather not have it confirmed that Mike Dean had no issue with choosing not to properly apply the rules. Perhaps a career in F1 officiating awaits? I guess Anthony Taylor owed him one after that. I wonder if it was a Palace game when Taylor overlooked a clear mistake by Dean? And on it goes. Having said all of that, I am not sure what the answer is. Just put up with it? Use foreign referees that should have less bias or are less likely to favour certain teams? Have tougher penalties for poor refereeing decisions? Maybe a start is to require them to explain their decisions by being "mic'd up" during the game or at interiew thereafter.

Plumpton eagle

East Sussex 25 Aug 23 1.16pm

This admission makes a real mockery of the presumed impartiality and "professionalism" of professional referees.

Why release this confession now? Has he got a book to sell? Is he hoping to get noticed and be asked onto Strictly?

Talk about erode the confidence of sports fans. I really would rather not have it confirmed that Mike Dean had no issue with choosing not to properly apply the rules. Perhaps a career in F1 officiating awaits?

I guess Anthony Taylor owed him one after that. I wonder if it was a Palace game when Taylor overlooked a clear mistake by Dean? And on it goes.

Having said all of that, I am not sure what the answer is. Just put up with it? Use foreign referees that should have less bias or are less likely to favour certain teams? Have tougher penalties for poor refereeing decisions? Maybe a start is to require them to explain their decisions by being "mic'd up" during the game or at interiew thereafter.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 1.18pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 'Twas all in good jest I hope you appreciate Willo! I do like a jolly good jest ! I do have the bandwith mentally to embrace a well-intentioned josh.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 1.18pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

'Twas all in good jest I hope you appreciate Willo!

I do like a jolly good jest !
I do have the bandwith mentally to embrace a well-intentioned josh.

Putitout Oxford 25 Aug 23 1.40pm
When we have a situation where by the referees chief makes apologies for three officials in one match on one blatantly clear decision, then something must be very wrong, the game was Man, U Wolves. It’s a constant problem ,it’s happening throughout the Premier league, You have to ask why the two VAR officials could not see the block Arsenal used Monday. We used to have a problem with one ref ,now it’s three. If we get rid of VAR TV will only roast a single ref. What we need is three refs that give the right decision and not just agree to give a wrong one.

Putitout

Oxford 25 Aug 23 1.40pm

When we have a situation where by the referees chief makes apologies for three officials in one match on one blatantly clear decision, then something must be very wrong, the game was Man, U Wolves. It’s a constant problem ,it’s happening throughout the Premier league, You have to ask why the two VAR officials could not see the block Arsenal used Monday. We used to have a problem with one ref ,now it’s three. If we get rid of VAR TV will only roast a single ref. What we need is three refs that give the right decision and not just agree to give a wrong one.

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 25 Aug 23 2.42pm
I watched some footage of "The Best Premier League Goals" on Sky the other day, from the 90s I think. There were some great goals, but I'm convinced a fair few of them would have been subjected to VAR checks taking away all that wonderful spontaneous celebrating. I understand the need for consistency, but VAR gets a thumbs down from me. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 25 Aug 23 2.42pm

I watched some footage of "The Best Premier League Goals" on Sky the other day, from the 90s I think.

There were some great goals, but I'm convinced a fair few of them would have been subjected to VAR checks taking away all that wonderful spontaneous celebrating.

I understand the need for consistency, but VAR gets a thumbs down from me.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

YT Oxford 25 Aug 23 2.59pm
Originally posted by Willo I do like a jolly good jest ! I do have the bandwith mentally to embrace a well-intentioned josh. As long as it's not a Rogan Josh, which I suspect would be far too mild for your tastes, Willo. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 25 Aug 23 2.59pm

Originally posted by Willo

I do like a jolly good jest !
I do have the bandwith mentally to embrace a well-intentioned josh.

As long as it's not a Rogan Josh, which I suspect would be far too mild for your tastes, Willo.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 3.06pm
Originally posted by YT As long as it's not a Rogan Josh, which I suspect would be far too mild for your tastes, Willo. Far too mild for my palate. I have in mind for this weekend a 'Gunpowder Kahlia'.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 3.06pm

Originally posted by YT

As long as it's not a Rogan Josh, which I suspect would be far too mild for your tastes, Willo.

Far too mild for my palate.
I have in mind for this weekend a 'Gunpowder Kahlia'.

cryrst The garden of England 25 Aug 23 3.28pm
Originally posted by Willo Far too mild for my palate. I have in mind for this weekend a 'Gunpowder Kahlia'. You must have a stainless steel toilet pan for the morning after. Where you been anyway you old sod

cryrst

The garden of England 25 Aug 23 3.28pm

Originally posted by Willo

Far too mild for my palate.
I have in mind for this weekend a 'Gunpowder Kahlia'.

You must have a stainless steel toilet pan for the morning after. Where you been anyway you old sod

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 3.58pm
Originally posted by cryrst You must have a stainless steel toilet pan for the morning after. Where you been anyway you old sod Staying well clear of the transfer speculation debates. In actual fact it was asserted by some learned gentleman that I "Flounce" when the Transfer Window opens and return to the fold when it closes.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Aug 23 3.58pm

Originally posted by cryrst

You must have a stainless steel toilet pan for the morning after. Where you been anyway you old sod

Staying well clear of the transfer speculation debates.

In actual fact it was asserted by some learned gentleman that I "Flounce" when the Transfer Window opens and return to the fold when it closes.

monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 25 Aug 23 4.18pm
The worst thing about VAR is now I’m not sure who to vent my anger at when I’m at a game. Abusing the ref is how we get the frustration out of our system, but now it’s not always their fault. It all seems a lot worse now, at least when a ref made a mistake before VAR we all understood it, major fcuk up, vent your spleen at the ref, make your excuses after the game blaming the ref for costing us the game and move on. But now it just seems like a long drawn out complicated farce to still make a wrong decision

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 25 Aug 23 4.18pm

The worst thing about VAR is now I’m not sure who to vent my anger at when I’m at a game. Abusing the ref is how we get the frustration out of our system, but now it’s not always their fault.

It all seems a lot worse now, at least when a ref made a mistake before VAR we all understood it, major fcuk up, vent your spleen at the ref, make your excuses after the game blaming the ref for costing us the game and move on. But now it just seems like a long drawn out complicated farce to still make a wrong decision

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