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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.24pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Do they also clutch at straws? Unlikely as having no substance they would soon fall apart. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.24pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Do they also clutch at straws?

Unlikely as having no substance they would soon fall apart.

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Teddy Eagle 19 Sep 23 1.33pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Unlikely as having no substance they would soon fall apart. After having affected public opinion.
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19 Sep 23 1.33pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Unlikely as having no substance they would soon fall apart.

After having affected public opinion.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.35pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Or indeed, for me to say I was touched in the toilet area by Wisbech at a business conference 20 years ago. Is that evidence ? No, it's slander and defamation , until it goes to court. But by then, all the subsequent details/evidence/bvll5hlt I might release would tarnish your good character to such an extent, that no-one would want to stay in one of your care homes. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Sep 2023 11.29am) Should you do so you would be sued for defamation as we both know it’s untrue and that no evidence exists. You would lose a lot of money and my reputation would not be impacted. No one that matters would believe it, especially as I sold my care home 20 years ago and retired completely more than 10 years ago. It’s a ridiculous analogy. The Brand matter must have substance or the corporate oversight of the various media companies would not have allowed publication. They simply would not permit such a risk to be taken no matter how much pressure their editorial arm exerted to get the story out there. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.35pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Or indeed, for me to say I was touched in the toilet area by Wisbech at a business conference 20 years ago. Is that evidence ? No, it's slander and defamation , until it goes to court.

But by then, all the subsequent details/evidence/bvll5hlt I might release would tarnish your good character to such an extent, that no-one would want to stay in one of your care homes.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Sep 2023 11.29am)

Should you do so you would be sued for defamation as we both know it’s untrue and that no evidence exists. You would lose a lot of money and my reputation would not be impacted. No one that matters would believe it, especially as I sold my care home 20 years ago and retired completely more than 10 years ago.

It’s a ridiculous analogy.

The Brand matter must have substance or the corporate oversight of the various media companies would not have allowed publication. They simply would not permit such a risk to be taken no matter how much pressure their editorial arm exerted to get the story out there.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.42pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Perhaps he just needs love and a cuddle like Hunter It would be a more believable defence than outright denial. He too is a reformed drug addict who probably could benefit from counselling of some kind. Not that his narcissistic personality means he will realise it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.42pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Perhaps he just needs love and a cuddle like Hunter

It would be a more believable defence than outright denial.

He too is a reformed drug addict who probably could benefit from counselling of some kind. Not that his narcissistic personality means he will realise it.

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CrazyBadger Ware 19 Sep 23 1.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So following this reasoning you believe that no one should believe that Savile wasn’t responsible for any of the things he was accused of, and his reputation should remain untarnished? Courts decide punishment. People can reach opinions irrespective of anything done in court. Should I be accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord I would laugh all the way to the bank. I don’t possess any gas appliances as a landlord. Courts decide guilt and apply an appropriate punishment. I don't think a deceased person can be tried, as they have no opportunity to defend themselves - a basic right of our legal system. The Saville case cannot be compared as it was so full of systematic failures across all involved to the point that the Jusdicial system in this country failed the victims. It should be used as a lesson for the system to be improved upon. All those with an opportunity to defend themselves have that right, and should be afforded it. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 19 Sep 23 1.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So following this reasoning you believe that no one should believe that Savile wasn’t responsible for any of the things he was accused of, and his reputation should remain untarnished?

Courts decide punishment. People can reach opinions irrespective of anything done in court.

Should I be accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord I would laugh all the way to the bank. I don’t possess any gas appliances as a landlord.

Courts decide guilt and apply an appropriate punishment.

I don't think a deceased person can be tried, as they have no opportunity to defend themselves - a basic right of our legal system.

The Saville case cannot be compared as it was so full of systematic failures across all involved to the point that the Jusdicial system in this country failed the victims. It should be used as a lesson for the system to be improved upon.

All those with an opportunity to defend themselves have that right, and should be afforded it.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.48pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger Sounds like you've already made your judgement. The Media have done their job. Why do we even need a justice system at all ?! If you mean by exposing the matter, yes they have. For all the reasons being explained in the various pieces being written those abused are often reluctant to go to the police. Now that reluctance will lessen. The justice system can now step in, test the claims and apply appropriate punishments if found proven. In the meantime some will regard it as just a media witch hunt and others won’t. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.48pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Sounds like you've already made your judgement. The Media have done their job. Why do we even need a justice system at all ?!

If you mean by exposing the matter, yes they have. For all the reasons being explained in the various pieces being written those abused are often reluctant to go to the police. Now that reluctance will lessen.

The justice system can now step in, test the claims and apply appropriate punishments if found proven. In the meantime some will regard it as just a media witch hunt and others won’t.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is. The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it. Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK. If they have no substance then Brand should be immediately instructing lawyers to sue the various media companies for defamation and make public statements to that effect. He would get millions in compensation and enhance his reputation if that is true. I don’t see it happening and I don’t expect it to. No media company would publish claims of this sort unless they know they are true. Let’s see who is right. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is.

The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it.

Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK.

If they have no substance then Brand should be immediately instructing lawyers to sue the various media companies for defamation and make public statements to that effect.

He would get millions in compensation and enhance his reputation if that is true.

I don’t see it happening and I don’t expect it to. No media company would publish claims of this sort unless they know they are true.

Let’s see who is right.

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CrazyBadger Ware 19 Sep 23 1.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If you mean by exposing the matter, yes they have. For all the reasons being explained in the various pieces being written those abused are often reluctant to go to the police. Now that reluctance will lessen. The justice system can now step in, test the claims and apply appropriate punishments if found proven. In the meantime some will regard it as just a media witch hunt and others won’t. and if found innocent, a whole load of sh1t will have been thrown for nothing, and he will forever have been tarnished with said sh1t, with all the sh1t throwers aiming for someone else. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 19 Sep 23 1.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The justice system can now step in, test the claims and apply appropriate punishments if found proven. In the meantime some will regard it as just a media witch hunt and others won’t.

and if found innocent, a whole load of sh1t will have been thrown for nothing, and he will forever have been tarnished with said sh1t, with all the sh1t throwers aiming for someone else.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 2.00pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Depends who it is Yes it does, on who is doing it and why. Making snide comments and suggestions of wrong doing by political opponents is not the same as publishing the results of a lengthy enquiry by investigative journalists whose work has been cleared by a company’s legal department as posing no risk of counter claims. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 2.00pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Depends who it is

Yes it does, on who is doing it and why.

Making snide comments and suggestions of wrong doing by political opponents is not the same as publishing the results of a lengthy enquiry by investigative journalists whose work has been cleared by a company’s legal department as posing no risk of counter claims.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 2.01pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle After having affected public opinion. Very unlikely. Most of us can tell that which is made from straw from that which is made from brick. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 2.01pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

After having affected public opinion.

Very unlikely. Most of us can tell that which is made from straw from that which is made from brick.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Sep 23 2.03pm
[Link] Why I loved Sean Lock. He wasn't a fan of Brand back in 2014, particularly if one of his daughters brought him home (at the end of the clip) Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Sep 23 2.03pm

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Why I loved Sean Lock.

He wasn't a fan of Brand back in 2014, particularly if one of his daughters brought him home (at the end of the clip)

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 2.04pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger and if found innocent, a whole load of sh1t will have been thrown for nothing, and he will forever have been tarnished with said sh1t, with all the sh1t throwers aiming for someone else. If found innocent he will become an even richer prat than he is now. He would gain multi millions in compensation without even having to sue and his reputation within his target audience would sore. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 2.04pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

and if found innocent, a whole load of sh1t will have been thrown for nothing, and he will forever have been tarnished with said sh1t, with all the sh1t throwers aiming for someone else.

If found innocent he will become an even richer prat than he is now. He would gain multi millions in compensation without even having to sue and his reputation within his target audience would sore.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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