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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 9.15am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Two things that bother me about the claims.....

1) how many ordinary people still have the same mobile phone 10 years on?

2) How many ordinary people save messages from 10 years ago?

Were they on actual phones or obtained by journalists from phone company records or via other means?

I cannot remember my number 10 years ago, but deep in my pile of junk in my garage I could find my old Nokia. If I trawled back through old records I could probably unearth my number.

Itís what investigative journalists do.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 19 Sep 23 9.24am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you might regard this as ďdone and dustedĒ is a personal choice but one that is very unlikely to be a reality. It seems it is only at the beginning.

Brand may well be a political nonentity but he represents an attitude that most find offensive at best and now potentially criminal. Exposing this attitude will serve as a warning to others that no matter how much time elapses their behaviour can be called to account. That alone makes this worthwhile. If it restricts others from abusing the vulnerable then it serves a purpose.

Savile was never prosecuted, for obvious reasons, but no one disputes his crimes or excuses them. Brand may not be prosecuted because of a lack of admissible evidence, although there does seem some that could be. Does he deserve a free pass if he isnít prosecuted? Will anyone doubt his behaviour was criminal?

If Savile is universally now regarded as a sexual predator why would Brand not be? I know Savile abused children but Brand has been recorded as trying to assist him in that. If Savile matters then so does Brand. Especially as he is still here, pontificating, spreading misinformation and monetising prejudice.

Those who abuse their power for sexual gratification, or in any other way, need to have their behaviour exposed. That applies to every walk of life, not just entertainment. In an ideal situation it needs to be done in a Court but sometimes the legal system is either inadequate or needs help. This seems such a case.

That's for a court to decide. How would you like it if you were accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord without it being proved in a court.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 19 Sep 23 11.25am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Just a shame this orchestrated stuff is keeping real news off the agenda.
Just as more schools are identified as having poor concrete and pushed Laura Kuenssberg: State of Chaos documentary about BJ's tenure as PM into oblivion.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 19 Sep 23 11.26am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Were they on actual phones or obtained by journalists from phone company records or via other means?

I cannot remember my number 10 years ago, but deep in my pile of junk in my garage I could find my old Nokia. If I trawled back through old records I could probably unearth my number.

Itís what investigative journalists do.

Do they also clutch at straws?

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 19 Sep 23 11.27am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

That's for a court to decide. How would you like it if you were accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord without it being proved in a court.

Or indeed, for me to say I was touched in the toilet area by Wisbech at a business conference 20 years ago. Is that evidence ? No, it's slander and defamation , until it goes to court.

But by then, all the subsequent details/evidence/bvll5hlt I might release would tarnish your good character to such an extent, that no-one would want to stay in one of your care homes.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Sep 2023 11.29am)

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 19 Sep 23 11.28am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you might regard this as ďdone and dustedĒ is a personal choice but one that is very unlikely to be a reality. It seems it is only at the beginning.

Brand may well be a political nonentity but he represents an attitude that most find offensive at best and now potentially criminal. Exposing this attitude will serve as a warning to others that no matter how much time elapses their behaviour can be called to account. That alone makes this worthwhile. If it restricts others from abusing the vulnerable then it serves a purpose.

Savile was never prosecuted, for obvious reasons, but no one disputes his crimes or excuses them. Brand may not be prosecuted because of a lack of admissible evidence, although there does seem some that could be. Does he deserve a free pass if he isnít prosecuted? Will anyone doubt his behaviour was criminal?

If Savile is universally now regarded as a sexual predator why would Brand not be? I know Savile abused children but Brand has been recorded as trying to assist him in that. If Savile matters then so does Brand. Especially as he is still here, pontificating, spreading misinformation and monetising prejudice.

Those who abuse their power for sexual gratification, or in any other way, need to have their behaviour exposed. That applies to every walk of life, not just entertainment. In an ideal situation it needs to be done in a Court but sometimes the legal system is either inadequate or needs help. This seems such a case.

Perhaps he just needs love and a cuddle like Hunter

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 19 Sep 23 11.35am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you might regard this as ďdone and dustedĒ is a personal choice but one that is very unlikely to be a reality. It seems it is only at the beginning.

Brand may well be a political nonentity but he represents an attitude that most find offensive at best and now potentially criminal. Exposing this attitude will serve as a warning to others that no matter how much time elapses their behaviour can be called to account. That alone makes this worthwhile. If it restricts others from abusing the vulnerable then it serves a purpose.

Savile was never prosecuted, for obvious reasons, but no one disputes his crimes or excuses them. Brand may not be prosecuted because of a lack of admissible evidence, although there does seem some that could be. Does he deserve a free pass if he isnít prosecuted? Will anyone doubt his behaviour was criminal?

If Savile is universally now regarded as a sexual predator why would Brand not be? I know Savile abused children but Brand has been recorded as trying to assist him in that. If Savile matters then so does Brand. Especially as he is still here, pontificating, spreading misinformation and monetising prejudice.

Those who abuse their power for sexual gratification, or in any other way, need to have their behaviour exposed. That applies to every walk of life, not just entertainment. In an ideal situation it needs to be done in a Court but sometimes the legal system is either inadequate or needs help. This seems such a case.

Sounds like you've already made your judgement. The Media have done their job. Why do we even need a justice system at all ?!

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Sep 23 11.42am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Sounds like you've already made your judgement. The Media have done their job. Why do we even need a justice system at all ?!

Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is.

The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it.

Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 19 Sep 23 11.50am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is.

The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it.

Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK.

Couldn't agree more.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 19 Sep 23 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, and we've all seen how good his judgement is.

The issue is not really about Brand but about trial by TV and the motivations for it.

Wisbech seems to think that destroying someone's life before any criminality is proven is OK.

Depends who it is

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

That's for a court to decide. How would you like it if you were accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord without it being proved in a court.

So following this reasoning you believe that no one should believe that Savile wasnít responsible for any of the things he was accused of, and his reputation should remain untarnished?

Courts decide punishment. People can reach opinions irrespective of anything done in court.

Should I be accused of not maintaining gas appliances as a landlord I would laugh all the way to the bank. I donít possess any gas appliances as a landlord.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 1.23pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Just a shame this orchestrated stuff is keeping real news off the agenda.
Just as more schools are identified as having poor concrete and pushed Laura Kuenssberg: State of Chaos documentary about BJ's tenure as PM into oblivion.

It isnít orchestrated though is it?

Itís been published by teams who cooperated in an investigation.

That news editors have decided this is something for their headlines is for them to answer.

I donít expect either the concrete or the BJ story to disappear. Just be delayed a few days.

 

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