Glasgow drug user scheme
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 Behind Enemy Lines  Sussex 27 Sep 23 11.28am |
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Glasgow is to operate the first ‘safe’ illegal drug user facility. Now apart from this being another example of Scotland trying to differentiate itself from the rest of the UK with policies that the UK Government don’t want, on the surface this may be a good idea. I don’t know as I have never taken drugs but some of you on here may well do and therefore your opinions will be more worthy than mine.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 27 Sep 23 11.30am |
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McMarxism at work, set them free and stop funding them
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Sep 23 1.29pm |
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The 'war on drugs' is one of the biggest policy failures of recent decades so I won't blame anyone for trying something different. There is plenty of data to suggest treating drug addiction as a health/care issue, as opposed to a criminal one, is a more effective path - it's not without it's flaws, but our current policy achieves absolutely nothing beyond locking people up for something which a third of the population admit to doing.
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Teddy Eagle  27 Sep 23 1.39pm |
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 27 Sep 23 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The 'war on drugs' is one of the biggest policy failures of recent decades so I won't blame anyone for trying something different. There is plenty of data to suggest treating drug addiction as a health/care issue, as opposed to a criminal one, is a more effective path - it's not without it's flaws, but our current policy achieves absolutely nothing beyond locking people up for something which a third of the population admit to doing. Well quite. Portugal demonstrated that a different approach can be successful... Unfortunately they've cut back on funding to support it in recent years and, surprise surprise, things are starting to reverse again. Policy of any kind is no use unless it is properly implemented, funded, monitored and evolved for the long term.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Sep 23 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The 'war on drugs' is one of the biggest policy failures of recent decades so I won't blame anyone for trying something different. There is plenty of data to suggest treating drug addiction as a health/care issue, as opposed to a criminal one, is a more effective path - it's not without it's flaws, but our current policy achieves absolutely nothing beyond locking people up for something which a third of the population admit to doing. Understatement of the year. California is a disaster zone.
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| Teddy Eagle 27 Sep 23 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Well quite. Portugal demonstrated that a different approach can be successful... Unfortunately they've cut back on funding to support it in recent years and, surprise surprise, things are starting to reverse again. Policy of any kind is no use unless it is properly implemented, funded, monitored and evolved for the long term.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Sep 23 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Well quite. Portugal demonstrated that a different approach can be successful... Unfortunately they've cut back on funding to support it in recent years and, surprise surprise, things are starting to reverse again. Policy of any kind is no use unless it is properly implemented, funded, monitored and evolved for the long term. They did indeed, and agree with rest of post. Problem with addiction policies and approaches are they are usually formulated and orchestrated through those right at the top and as far away from the working knowledge of the dynamic as possible. Or it's a combination of these two groups which do not align or work well together for an ideal solution. It always seems to be that no middle ground is covered between very 'liberal' policy and that of a no-nonsense, zero tolerance approach. I've yet to see anything that provides a genuine understanding and empathy toward those suffering, distinction between the likes of these and habitual/recreational users and an effective approach that puts the mitigation (if not removal) of the likes of deaths, crime and ruined lives ahead of ideological inclinations. My understanding was Portugal did originally get slightly closer to this. Somebody dying a slow death from Heroin and near unable to escape it is very different to somebody who likes a bit of Charlie on the weekend or genuinely enjoys smoking Harry. To criminalise or cater for them all equally is a bit ridiculous when they are very different circumstances. I would dare to suggest, with no hard evidence to back it, that most who really are suffering from drug addiction would welcome a solution to their awful circumstance and hence it should be treated as a health issue. Unfortunately it isn't, most treatment arrives through very limited funding or charitable causes and too many are left fallen by the wayside and this has ramifications for society. A lot of drug users arrive in their situations from 'bad choices' yes but nonetheless not many would willingly choose the life above other available options. It's a major social and health issue, as well as legal too, and the attitude toward it always seems half-@rsed and resentful. Whether you're the victim of organised gangs, had drugs ruin and take your life, are the victim of drug related crime or have friends/relatives affected, it's something we should be addressing far more vigorously and intently than we do. There's still too much of a desire to brush it under the carpet.
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| georgenorman 27 Sep 23 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Glasgow is to operate the first ‘safe’ illegal drug user facility. Now apart from this being another example of Scotland trying to differentiate itself from the rest of the UK with policies that the UK Government don’t want, on the surface this may be a good idea. I don’t know as I have never taken drugs but some of you on here may well do and therefore your opinions will be more worthy than mine. In Glasgow, they would be confused with SNP finances auditors.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 27 Sep 23 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
They did indeed, and agree with rest of post. Problem with addiction policies and approaches are they are usually formulated and orchestrated through those right at the top and as far away from the working knowledge of the dynamic as possible. Or it's a combination of these two groups which do not align or work well together for an ideal solution. It always seems to be that no middle ground is covered between very 'liberal' policy and that of a no-nonsense, zero tolerance approach. I've yet to see anything that provides a genuine understanding and empathy toward those suffering, distinction between the likes of these and habitual/recreational users and an effective approach that puts the mitigation (if not removal) of the likes of deaths, crime and ruined lives ahead of ideological inclinations. My understanding was Portugal did originally get slightly closer to this. Somebody dying a slow death from Heroin and near unable to escape it is very different to somebody who likes a bit of Charlie on the weekend or genuinely enjoys smoking Harry. To criminalise or cater for them all equally is a bit ridiculous when they are very different circumstances. I would dare to suggest, with no hard evidence to back it, that most who really are suffering from drug addiction would welcome a solution to their awful circumstance and hence it should be treated as a health issue. Unfortunately it isn't, most treatment arrives through very limited funding or charitable causes and too many are left fallen by the wayside and this has ramifications for society. A lot of drug users arrive in their situations from 'bad choices' yes but nonetheless not many would willingly choose the life above other available options. It's a major social and health issue, as well as legal too, and the attitude toward it always seems half-@rsed and resentful. Whether you're the victim of organised gangs, had drugs ruin and take your life, are the victim of drug related crime or have friends/relatives affected, it's something we should be addressing far more vigorously and intently than we do. There's still too much of a desire to brush it under the carpet. Agreed
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| georgenorman 27 Sep 23 3.04pm |
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Publicly execute drug dealers.
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| Matov 27 Sep 23 8.24pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Publicly execute drug dealers.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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