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View DenTyler's Profile DenTyler Flag Sidcup 28 Dec 23 7.47pm Send a Private Message to DenTyler Add DenTyler as a friend

Originally posted by YoDougie

Finally found a moment to fully express my views following the loss yesterday against Chelsea.

I believe we have reached a moment where the blame must be equally split between both Roy Hodgson & Steve Parish/The Board.

Starting with the board, regardless of the views of the Viera sacking, bringing Hodgson back to finish the final 10 or so games last season was a very sensible move. He steadied the ship, albeit against on-paper 'easier' opposition and kept us safe. There was a lot of frustrated fans in Roy's final season and that gave him the opportunity to receive the hero's goodbye which he quite frankly deserved.

However, in those 3-4 months it was Parish/the board's responsibility to be scouting a new successor. I genuinely don't quite understand the thinking behind appointing Roy for 1 more year. It's not long term and therefore doesn't help our club move forward. Just retain and stay still for a year.

I've seen a similar argument recently and historically here before which is 'who else can do the job?' and I really despise this weak argument. Firstly, we are an established Premier League club - the idea that nobody would be attracted here is ridiculous. Secondly, it's not down to us as fans to identify someone. We know the big available names i.e Cooper, Lopetegui - etc, but we have a scouting team who should be identifying exciting and available managers from other leagues, domestic and abroad. They exist and we've seen other clubs find them and become successful with them over the years.

With Roy Hodgson, we've regressed to negative tactics which frustrated us all in his final season with us. Play for a draw, using his same 12-13 players on rotation, players being played out of position, and subs being used very late if we're lucky.

I've seen a few comments asking if anyone else could do better with our team? My view on this is strongly yes. Our team is not a poor team - it's a skeleton squad for sure but we have some very good talent here. Olise & Eze are our star boys. Guehi & Anderson are a superb CB pairing. Lerma, Doucoure (when fit) are both strong, talented midfielders and Hughes has been much improved this season. Richards is playing out of position but his defensive abilities - tackling, interceptions and tracking back is very very good. But a midfielder he is not. Our spine is strong and we genuinely have no idea how good players like Franca, Ozoh, JRS because their minutes have been minimal.

Finally, something I've noticed is whilst we don't want to sell players, we almost never earn any money from any player sales. With FFP, we can spend a certain % of club earnings. Well, if we aren't selling ever, our earnings and profit are of course lower. I'm not saying we should sell our top players but we need to be smarter to reinvest. Zaha for example should not have been allowed to leave for free. Even if we secured £20mill for him with a contract and agreement with him we'd let him go, that's further investment available for us to build the squad and manager/coaching staff. This is an issue that doesn't get discussed enough. Every club makes player sales, except us.

Unfortunately, Roy needs to leave now. But the board needs to adjust the way they are running this club. (This is not a Parish out post)


Edited by YoDougie (28 Dec 2023 3.20pm)

Fantastic post.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 28 Dec 23 8.18pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

A serious post. I've said before that I don't know why Roy took on the additional season, his CV reads well enough without the extra stress this season will cause. As some have mentioned, he doesn't look too well at the moment. This is no job for a person in their mid 70s, I was wondering if he is up to the very demanding challenge mentally and physically of what is before him as a manager with a high profile in a PL club? Some of his statements recently have been way off the mark. Does he have regular health check ups? Someone should tell him he needs a break.

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 28 Dec 23 9.48pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

A serious post. I've said before that I don't know why Roy took on the additional season, his CV reads well enough without the extra stress this season will cause. As some have mentioned, he doesn't look too well at the moment. This is no job for a person in their mid 70s, I was wondering if he is up to the very demanding challenge mentally and physically of what is before him as a manager with a high profile in a PL club? Some of his statements recently have been way off the mark. Does he have regular health check ups? Someone should tell him he needs a break.

Lose at home to Brentford and he will be enjoying a very long holiday.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 28 Dec 23 10.21pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The usually well informed journalist and Palace fan, Ed Aarons, confirms in a report this evening that Hodgson is under pressure and that Palace are looking at alternative options including Cooper.
Aarons gives the impression that Hodgson will get the Brentford game as manager.
I suppose if the club delay in acting 2 of the following 3 games are away at Arsenal and Brighton and further defeats under Hodgson in those games would only add to the pressure and the club would have lost the opportunity to allow a new manager to bed in during the January break.
I think he will be replaced prior to the Arsenal game.

 

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View CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE's Profile CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 28 Dec 23 10.49pm Send a Private Message to CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Add CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE as a friend

Word on the street here is Cooper will be on the stands during the Brentford game. Was on NBC.

 

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View VinceHilaire's Profile VinceHilaire Flag London 28 Dec 23 11.00pm Send a Private Message to VinceHilaire Add VinceHilaire as a friend

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Word on the street here is Cooper will be on the stands during the Brentford game. Was on NBC.

That would be a bold statement of intent by the club!

 

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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 28 Dec 23 11.10pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Hardly, failed Premiership manager, hopeless in the transfer market, will make a nice change.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 28 Dec 23 11.40pm

Originally posted by Swindy

Hardly, failed Premiership manager, hopeless in the transfer market, will make a nice change.

Kept Forest up - so not sure how he failed there.

And if you believe he was responsible for Forest’s recruitment policy, I’ve got some lovely magic beans you can buy. The fairies at the end of my garden will sort them out for you,

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 29 Dec 23 7.15am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

The obvious point here is that after Brentford we have a three week break from PL football. There is no better time to make a mid-season change in manager if you're going to make one, providing the new guy is ready to step straight in. Brentford are in a really bad patch of form too and are missing key players, so I don't really know how much a win would tell us, but a loss would definitely justify Roy's removal. If Roy is still in charge for the Arsenal game then I think he's here for the rest of the season, come what may.

 

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 29 Dec 23 7.41am Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

Cooper not a up grade , Forest at to buy as they got promotion with loan players think they needed 14 players in , saying he kept them up is a success lots of managers have done that then failed , yes Roy will need to go but not for cooper no gain other than age ,

Roy and Ray have at to fire fight with a horridness injury list and all i here is its the boards fault its Roys fault , the board cant spend 100m on back up players get real , Roy needs to see the youngsters do well in training against senior players , we dont see that side ,

So be careful what you wish for , as it could really bite you in the arse COYP

 

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View rednblu's Profile rednblu Flag Bromley 29 Dec 23 9.55am Send a Private Message to rednblu Add rednblu as a friend

Roy and Ray are dedicated organisers, with a fantastic knowledge of the game. It is this which has won Palace matches and come close in others under their stewardship. However, it is this very organisation which holds Palace back. Everyone in the team knows their place on the pitch. They are blessed with loyalty to Roy and Ray's tactics and organisation, who wouldn't? But where is the spontaneous runs on the blindside, getting in unexpected positions, turning up in the box as a spare man, the surprise in the offensive play. The reverse is also true. Why do the team not track opponents 'runners'? Answer because our 'marker' is still where he was told to be. We have seen an Everton full back score in the first minute, a Brighton full back often the farthest player forward (rewarded with a goal in Brighton v Spurs). So apart from the need to organise our attacking corners and set plays better (the only team to fail to score from one this season) we need to Disorganise and give players license to make those important moves!

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 29 Dec 23 10.19am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Good points.
Roy tends to set up teams not to lose rather than to win.
It's an important difference as a few wins gets you up the table much quicker.

Originally posted by rednblu

Roy and Ray are dedicated organisers, with a fantastic knowledge of the game. It is this which has won Palace matches and come close in others under their stewardship. However, it is this very organisation which holds Palace back. Everyone in the team knows their place on the pitch. They are blessed with loyalty to Roy and Ray's tactics and organisation, who wouldn't? But where is the spontaneous runs on the blindside, getting in unexpected positions, turning up in the box as a spare man, the surprise in the offensive play. The reverse is also true. Why do the team not track opponents 'runners'? Answer because our 'marker' is still where he was told to be. We have seen an Everton full back score in the first minute, a Brighton full back often the farthest player forward (rewarded with a goal in Brighton v Spurs). So apart from the need to organise our attacking corners and set plays better (the only team to fail to score from one this season) we need to Disorganise and give players license to make those important moves!

 

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