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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Oct 23 1.14pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was in our local Aldi last week and a family must have been working together to try to steal things but as soon as they tried to get through the checkout out the manager was there with all the available assistants and they were directed to the office. He was having no-nonsense from them. They must have been watching on CCTV. What was the demographic of the thieves?
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02 Oct 23 1.14pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I was in our local Aldi last week and a family must have been working together to try to steal things but as soon as they tried to get through the checkout out the manager was there with all the available assistants and they were directed to the office. He was having no-nonsense from them. They must have been watching on CCTV.

What was the demographic of the thieves?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Oct 23 1.30pm
The pub I referred to was The Windmill. On Kirkdale, a few doors from Tesco Express. I think thieving, generally , seems to be more prominent, (to me). I see it at workplaces all the time. Stuff that's fallen out the back of a shop, seems to offloaded in a far more 'community-based' setting, rather than just in pubs. And I did stupidly intervene with kids robbing a newsagent on Kirkdale around 2005. The little darlings were still in their school uniforms going behind the counter, when I grabbed a bottle of wine, and waved like a truncheon, and asked them to leave,...which thankfully, they did. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Oct 2023 1.31pm) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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The pub I referred to was The Windmill. On Kirkdale, a few doors from Tesco Express.
I think thieving, generally , seems to be more prominent, (to me).
I see it at workplaces all the time.
Stuff that's fallen out the back of a shop, seems to offloaded in a far more 'community-based' setting, rather than just in pubs.

And I did stupidly intervene with kids robbing a newsagent on Kirkdale around 2005. The little darlings were still in their school uniforms going behind the counter, when I grabbed a bottle of wine, and waved like a truncheon, and asked them to leave,...which thankfully, they did.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Oct 2023 1.31pm)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Matov 02 Oct 23 2.09pm
I think the issue with it is more to do with the increase in the brazenness of it. That segments of society seem to believe they can act with impunity when it comes to such matters as there will be no comeback. And they are correct. Which is the fault of the current Government. If Police are under-resourced then it is understandable why they might not have the ability to direct resources at Mr Patel having a load of little s*-bags coming in and helping themselves to what they want from his corner shop. But the wider impact is that those little s*s learn there is no consequence to law-breaking. It sets a horrendous expectation for the future. You dangle shiny things in front of people, some will try and half-inch them. Part of the human condition. You let them get away with it and it then becomes an entirely different ball game altogether. Yet another fraying away at the eco-balance required for society to function properly. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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02 Oct 23 2.09pm

I think the issue with it is more to do with the increase in the brazenness of it. That segments of society seem to believe they can act with impunity when it comes to such matters as there will be no comeback.

And they are correct.

Which is the fault of the current Government. If Police are under-resourced then it is understandable why they might not have the ability to direct resources at Mr Patel having a load of little s***-bags coming in and helping themselves to what they want from his corner shop.

But the wider impact is that those little s***s learn there is no consequence to law-breaking. It sets a horrendous expectation for the future.

You dangle shiny things in front of people, some will try and half-inch them. Part of the human condition.

You let them get away with it and it then becomes an entirely different ball game altogether. Yet another fraying away at the eco-balance required for society to function properly.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Teddy Eagle 02 Oct 23 2.17pm
Originally posted by Matov I think the issue with it is more to do with the increase in the brazenness of it. That segments of society seem to believe they can act with impunity when it comes to such matters as there will be no comeback. And they are correct. Which is the fault of the current Government. If Police are under-resourced then it is understandable why they might not have the ability to direct resources at Mr Patel having a load of little s*-bags coming in and helping themselves to what they want from his corner shop. But the wider impact is that those little s*s learn there is no consequence to law-breaking. It sets a horrendous expectation for the future. You dangle shiny things in front of people, some will try and half-inch them. Part of the human condition. You let them get away with it and it then becomes an entirely different ball game altogether. Yet another fraying away at the eco-balance required for society to function properly. The Broken Windows theory in action.
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02 Oct 23 2.17pm

Originally posted by Matov

And they are correct.

But the wider impact is that those little s***s learn there is no consequence to law-breaking. It sets a horrendous expectation for the future.

You dangle shiny things in front of people, some will try and half-inch them. Part of the human condition.

You let them get away with it and it then becomes an entirely different ball game altogether. Yet another fraying away at the eco-balance required for society to function properly.

The Broken Windows theory in action.

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eritheagle Erith 02 Oct 23 3.41pm
I worked at Wilko for 14 years and it was so frustrating seeing the amount of things that got stolen every week. It meant quite often that once the value of the items were costed and then deducted from the store’s weekly budget that it resulted in next to no overtime for that following week!
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Erith 02 Oct 23 3.41pm

I worked at Wilko for 14 years and it was so frustrating seeing the amount of things that got stolen every week. It meant quite often that once the value of the items were costed and then deducted from the store’s weekly budget that it resulted in next to no overtime for that following week!

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Oct 23 4.05pm
Originally posted by Matov Problem is that this is how they have conned us over the years. We are all conditioned into this red & blue thinking where the reality is that it makes no real difference anymore. How can it honestly be worse under Labour? The ironic thing is that Labour can probably get away with being more reactionary than the Conservatives because their supporters, who occupy the more senior positions in various national institutions are less likely to throw spanners in the works of all kinds of things based solely on the fact that the measures are being implemented by their favoured 'brand' as opposed to the Tories. How anybody who proclaims themselves of the Left can support a Starmer-led anything is beyond me given the man's obscene duplicitousness but by the same token, how anybody of the Right can support the Conservatives given what they have actually DONE (or rather not) since 2010 is an utter mystery to me now. A curse on both their houses. Which need knocking down. Not supporting. Well said.
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Originally posted by Matov

Problem is that this is how they have conned us over the years. We are all conditioned into this red & blue thinking where the reality is that it makes no real difference anymore.

How can it honestly be worse under Labour? The ironic thing is that Labour can probably get away with being more reactionary than the Conservatives because their supporters, who occupy the more senior positions in various national institutions are less likely to throw spanners in the works of all kinds of things based solely on the fact that the measures are being implemented by their favoured 'brand' as opposed to the Tories.

How anybody who proclaims themselves of the Left can support a Starmer-led anything is beyond me given the man's obscene duplicitousness but by the same token, how anybody of the Right can support the Conservatives given what they have actually DONE (or rather not) since 2010 is an utter mystery to me now.

A curse on both their houses. Which need knocking down. Not supporting.

Well said.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Oct 23 4.23pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Well said. Seconded. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Oct 23 4.23pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Well said.

Seconded.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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cryrst The garden of England 02 Oct 23 6.04pm
Originally posted by Matov I think the issue with it is more to do with the increase in the brazenness of it. That segments of society seem to believe they can act with impunity when it comes to such matters as there will be no comeback. And they are correct. Which is the fault of the current Government. If Police are under-resourced then it is understandable why they might not have the ability to direct resources at Mr Patel having a load of little s*-bags coming in and helping themselves to what they want from his corner shop. But the wider impact is that those little s*s learn there is no consequence to law-breaking. It sets a horrendous expectation for the future. You dangle shiny things in front of people, some will try and half-inch them. Part of the human condition. You let them get away with it and it then becomes an entirely different ball game altogether. Yet another fraying away at the eco-balance required for society to function properly. The police arnt under resourced, they are under protected. Look at stop and search and how ‘racist ‘ it is to assume a black boy is more likely to have a blade. Even though the ‘facts’ prove it. I don’t buy what people say, I buy what they don’t say !
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The garden of England 02 Oct 23 6.04pm

Originally posted by Matov

And they are correct.

But the wider impact is that those little s***s learn there is no consequence to law-breaking. It sets a horrendous expectation for the future.

You dangle shiny things in front of people, some will try and half-inch them. Part of the human condition.

You let them get away with it and it then becomes an entirely different ball game altogether. Yet another fraying away at the eco-balance required for society to function properly.

The police arnt under resourced, they are under protected.
Look at stop and search and how ‘racist ‘ it is to assume a black boy is more likely to have a blade. Even though the ‘facts’ prove it. I don’t buy what people say, I buy what they don’t say !

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Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 23 8.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What was the demographic of the thieves? What’s the relevance of their demographics? They were suspected thieves. That’s all that matters They were a Dad, Mum, teenage female child and a grandmother. Neither especially prosperous or poverty stricken in appearance. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 23 8.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What was the demographic of the thieves?

What’s the relevance of their demographics? They were suspected thieves. That’s all that matters

They were a Dad, Mum, teenage female child and a grandmother. Neither especially prosperous or poverty stricken in appearance.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Oct 23 6.02am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What’s the relevance of their demographics? They were suspected thieves. That’s all that matters They were a Dad, Mum, teenage female child and a grandmother. Neither especially prosperous or poverty stricken in appearance. It was a question and you were there. Can you answer?
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cryrst

The garden of England 03 Oct 23 6.02am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What’s the relevance of their demographics? They were suspected thieves. That’s all that matters

They were a Dad, Mum, teenage female child and a grandmother. Neither especially prosperous or poverty stricken in appearance.

It was a question and you were there. Can you answer?

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georgenorman Online 03 Oct 23 7.58am
Originally posted by cryrst (Originally posted by Wisbech): the relevance of their demographics? They were suspected thieves. That’s all that matters. They were a Dad, Mum, teenage female child and a grandmother. Neither especially prosperous or poverty stricken in appearance. ________________________________________ It was a question and you were there. Can you answer? How does he know they were a mum and dad and a grandmother? Perhaps they were relations of his? Edited by georgenorman (03 Oct 2023 7.59am)
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03 Oct 23 7.58am

Originally posted by cryrst

(Originally posted by Wisbech): the relevance of their demographics? They were suspected thieves. That’s all that matters. They were a Dad, Mum, teenage female child and a grandmother. Neither especially prosperous or poverty stricken in appearance.

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It was a question and you were there. Can you answer?

How does he know they were a mum and dad and a grandmother? Perhaps they were relations of his?

Edited by georgenorman (03 Oct 2023 7.59am)

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Teddy Eagle 03 Oct 23 8.05am
The possibility of using the passport photo database to identify shoplifters? This seems like quite a jump from effectively decriminalising it a few years ago. [Link]
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03 Oct 23 8.05am

The possibility of using the passport photo database to identify shoplifters?
This seems like quite a jump from effectively decriminalising it a few years ago.

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