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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jun 24 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

There is a great deal to unpick there, but I will just leave the final paragraph.

Reform are a single issue party who are tapping in to the fear of a loss of culture and identity. That is not an unfounded fear or one just held by those who are dim or racist. E.g. I see and feel it too, and I am supposed to be the woolly left.

The problem is caused by non-European immigration. There needs to be much better control. But the flow has gone unchecked for decades despite successive governments chucking cash and ideas at it. Thus, you either divert vast resources at a considerable opportunity cost and/or breach international law with impunity. All of which is likely to leave the country poorer, in turmoil, and with the issue largely untouched. I am afraid that we are at a point where the best we can get is a marginally more efficient control at the frontier and better management within.

My issue is two fold. Reform are promising what is effectively an ethnic defence. This is something I genuinely believe they are not capable of delivering; and after they get their hands on the treasury and the economy tanks, they will be even less resourced and capable.

The other problem I have is that there is too much actual fascist in Reform. Populist, nationalist, and worryingly averse to accountability. I don't see them denying minorities property rights or cancelling any further elections etc. They are Fascist Lite. But what they say is far too close to what was said. And it concerns me that the generation who experienced are gone and their descendants have already forgotten the hard lesson their parents learned.

Thus, I still think that if one of our Tommies who liberated Belsen was to learn that his own children were voting Reform, they would turn in their grave. What else would he do?

A reasonable post until that last paragraph....which is ridiculous. Most British men who fought back then would have been far more socially conservative than even Farage, who you correctly imply is Thatcher lite...which is what Reform is....Regardless do I really have to remind you that Enoch Powelll had over seventy percent support after his 'Rivers of Blood' speech and that was in in the late sixties.

So no, they wouldn't be turning in their grave.....indeed, they would be turning in their grave at even your centralist politics and what it's done to the land they fought and died for.

As for your post and what happens when and if Reform took power there's a lot to say. Firstly that's not going to happen this election as the Conservative vote will be split.

Secondly you seem to be assuming that the EU is going to continue to be ruled by social liberals and globalists. As the economics worsen the reality is that both the right and left....I won't bother with neo fascism/communism labels as it's mostly knockabout....but as the economics worsen you are likely to see the right increasingly take over in the EU....It probably won't work because they will frustrated by the unelected bureaucracy (as we saw with Trump and the Tories) and unless they really go for it (which is unlikely) they will themselves be voted out for the left....or Europe undergoes economic collapse, which means welfare gets cut deeply or disappears....al la Greece.

Now there Sliver me old long john meat gibbet....that's when a real chance of a red or blue Caesar taking power happens and we getting what you apparently fear....Real change and real action and damn the consequences....Obviously I favour a return of my country's identity and culture.

But the chips will be in the air.

You might believe it could never happen here but pakistan has recently started deporting over one million Afghans. No one's being shoved into ovens, this continued obsession with a war eighty years ago clouds thinking.

Will to power Silver, will to power.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jun 2024 1.14pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jun 24 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

This is why I said you need to stand well back and look again.

These points are never well received on here but politicians on either end of the spectrum are always of the lowest stock. That would be either those who hold your view, or those who hold Steeleye's. They couldn't run a whelk store. Our experience of decades of socialism and now the last 5 years seems to bear that out.

If the left of the Tories were that strong and Machiavellian, they would have controlled a charismatic vote-magnet like BJ and steered him to a post Brexit world in their image. However, your memory must be playing tricks. He was actually sacked for lying (badly) to Parliament. Even a disingenuous, self-serving rogue like him knew he had to fall on the sword.

And Truss! Where does one start? I think the Greens or Reform would have to take power for us to witness a level of economic ineptitude to match hers. No, I suspect it was the City that funds the Party that saw her out. They were not going to stand for the shocks and uncertainty that her leadership would continue to deliver, as entertaining as they were for the outside world to watch.

The explanation is a simple one. It is neither your conspiracy, nor globalism, nor the desire for a Remainer utopia. It is being booted out for being really cr@p. No need to over-think it.

So basically you are telling me that all is as it seems. Well maybe it is, and maybe not.

The idea of conspiracies is to keep them secret and obfuscate the truth.

Either way, the Tory demise has been caused by the left of the Party. They continuously fail to recognise or just plain don't care about public opinion.

 

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Originally posted by silvertop

I get the problem and I get the rise of Reform. The problem is, they will not solve the problem. They will merely gain traction by saying they will. If anything, I fear they will make it worse. And then, who will you turn to?

Wherever Farage pops up when Reform inevitably implodes, obviously.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you didn't accept the result. Thanks for clarifying.

You are confused. There's a big difference between accepting the result and accepting its consequences. You don't give up fighting because you lose a battle.

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Wherever Farage pops up when Reform inevitably implodes, obviously.

Farage is milk toast.

He only scrapes in as worthy of my vote.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What you fail to recognise is that no one is interested in your pathetic excuses for being a poor loser.

More confusion. There is a big difference between temporary setbacks and losing. Many people are interested in reversing the decision. More now than don't I suspect.

 


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Originally posted by silvertop

I get the problem and I get the rise of Reform. The problem is, they will not solve the problem. They will merely gain traction by saying they will. If anything, I fear they will make it worse. And then, who will you turn to?

I'm a huge cynic. You don't need to tell me about the folly of trusting politicians.
I don't particular like Richard Tice. Farage is a great talker.

Neither main party deserves our vote, and we need more right wing politicians in Parliament.
Despite natural scepticism, we have to believe that someone will oppose the madness.

 

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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Perhaps if Parliament had given the public a say during the 4 decades that the ĎEUí had morphed from a mere trading block of western countries into a over large political giant, then perhaps a referendum would not have been needed. Itís of their own making and so is the eventual result. Live with it and make the most of it.

They did and continue to do. Every 5 years. That's how parliamentary democracy works. We don't have plebiscites on single issues. We only held the stupid referendum so the Tories could get rid of UKIP nibbling at them. Look how that has turned out.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

More confusion. There is a big difference between temporary setbacks and losing. Many people are interested in reversing the decision. More now than don't I suspect.

Your use of language reveals your extremism.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your use of language reveals your extremism.

Yeah he is a bit extreme at times, he gets a bit carried away

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So basically you are telling me that all is as it seems. Well maybe it is, and maybe not.

The idea of conspiracies is to keep them secret and obfuscate the truth.

Either way, the Tory demise has been caused by the left of the Party. They continuously fail to recognise or just plain don't care about public opinion.

The Tory demise was started by deciding to face down UKIP and call a referendum. They feared seeing the party split as it needed to split and self-interest overcame national duty.

We ended up with the worst possible outcome. The Tories still splitting, as they must, and us leaving the EU which should have been avoided.

They should have accepted that their Eurosceptic wing would peel away and have been tough with them. Make the arguments strongly in favour of the EU positively and forcefully both inside and outside Parliament. Not just leave it to the electorate to bail them out.

Now we will end up with a decimated Tory party, a few more Lib Dems, a token number of noisy Reform and a Labour Party whose majority means they can do whatever they want. Not sensible.

 


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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

Yeah he is a bit extreme at times, he gets a bit carried away

He has a picture of Ursula von der Leyen on his bedroom wall and a tattoo of the EU flag on his forehead.

 

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