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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The most senior civil servant at no. 10 in a pay grade which starts at £127,000. But sure, he's just a schlepper. An MP who is a PPS is not a civil servant. Did you not watch Yes Minister?
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Ouzo Dan  Behind you 13 Jun 24 9.46pm |
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There is probably only 4 people in politics who just by being present can rally people to their cause. Boris Johnson Everybody else in politics might as well not exist. Seeing Farage leading from the front has invigorated what was the most depressing & flat GE in my living memory. Now I am happy to see the populist centre right finally get a foothold similar to what we have been seeing spread across Europe here, We have a very real chance of replacing the Tories as the main opposition & I honestly think we will do it. I'm hoping beyond hope there are people within the movement who have the talent to carry on the ground work that is being laid today.
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Teddy Eagle  13 Jun 24 9.58pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An MP who is a PPS is not a civil servant. Did you not watch Yes Minister? From The Institute for Government. Traditionally, the most senior civil servant in No.10 has been the prime minister’s principal private secretary (PPS). In recent years, the PPS has been appointed at a director general (SCS3) grade. Whether or not he's personally a Civil Servant it's hardly a bag carrier.
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Jun 24 10.33pm |
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To quote starmer “ there will be no personal tax rises”
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 9.54am |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
There is probably only 4 people in politics who just by being present can rally people to their cause. Boris Johnson Everybody else in politics might as well not exist. Seeing Farage leading from the front has invigorated what was the most depressing & flat GE in my living memory. Now I am happy to see the populist centre right finally get a foothold similar to what we have been seeing spread across Europe here, We have a very real chance of replacing the Tories as the main opposition & I honestly think we will do it. I'm hoping beyond hope there are people within the movement who have the talent to carry on the ground work that is being laid today. I stumbled on the last 15 mins of the ITV “debate”:last night. I don’t watch such things as they seem to be just a pointless ritual we must go through at election time. Farage was on it. As he seems to be on every such show. I wouldn’t vote for any party he was involved with but if I needed any convincing that this guy is an empty headed, dangerous populist something he said last night would have convinced me. He argued for more referendums to “let the people decide themselves”. So much for Parliamentary democracy then! Here comes capital punishment and sinking small boats. Then I read this morning that there is growing evidence that there is foreign interference, via social media, in this election. This time to try to direct votes to Reform. Just as happened during the Brexit vote, with support provided for Leave. Why, and who would do that? Whilst this time no linkage has yet been established, during Brexit it was traced to the Russians. Why seems to be to create more division and upset in a western democracy. They have done it in the USA and elsewhere before, and doubtless were active during the recent EU elections. Bots are posting multiple messages, all very similar, under fictitious names, which are not being screened out as they should be. Reform themselves are unlikely to be involved, but they are benefiting from it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.00am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
To quote starmer “ there will be no personal tax rises” He is being honest. Whoever gets in will need to raise more tax. That’s inevitable. The Tories promising tax cuts are just lying. Which they can do, because they know they don’t have to prove it. Starmer hasn’t lied, but he has been economical with his words. It might be regrettable but it’s politics.
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| Helmet46 Croydon 14 Jun 24 10.05am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He is being honest. Whoever gets in will need to raise more tax. That’s inevitable. The Tories promising tax cuts are just lying. Which they can do, because they know they don’t have to prove it. Starmer hasn’t lied, but he has been economical with his words. It might be regrettable but it’s politics. He is being honestly economical with the truth.
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| The groover Danbury 14 Jun 24 10.09am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
To quote starmer “ there will be no personal tax rises” Yep. They all stick to the same line and its always the same. Will there be tax rises? 'No rise in income tax, NI, or VAT'. In other words, council tax, car tax, fuel tax, airline tax, travel insurance, car insurance, home insurance for those disgusting car drivers and home owners. Corporation tax, shares taxation, a pensions raid via taxation (again) and any additional tax they can dream up. All of this will have the effect of reducing GDP the exact thing they say they will use to fund it all. Its a whirlpool and the only way is down.
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| The groover Danbury 14 Jun 24 10.15am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I stumbled on the last 15 mins of the ITV “debate”:last night. I don’t watch such things as they seem to be just a pointless ritual we must go through at election time. Farage was on it. As he seems to be on every such show. I wouldn’t vote for any party he was involved with but if I needed any convincing that this guy is an empty headed, dangerous populist something he said last night would have convinced me. He argued for more referendums to “let the people decide themselves”. So much for Parliamentary democracy then! Here comes capital punishment and sinking small boats. Then I read this morning that there is growing evidence that there is foreign interference, via social media, in this election. This time to try to direct votes to Reform. Just as happened during the Brexit vote, with support provided for Leave. Why, and who would do that? Whilst this time no linkage has yet been established, during Brexit it was traced to the Russians. Why seems to be to create more division and upset in a western democracy. They have done it in the USA and elsewhere before, and doubtless were active during the recent EU elections. Bots are posting multiple messages, all very similar, under fictitious names, which are not being screened out as they should be. Reform themselves are unlikely to be involved, but they are benefiting from it. Still hanging on to the Brexit was only because of those pesky Russians. Populist parties are on the rise throughout Europe because people don't like what the elected and unelected politicians are doing. That is the reason we voted to leave. And its the reason we are seeing Holland, Germany and France seeing a rise in populist parties. As has been said. Nigel F is the ONLY one of the slippery gits that actually answers a question and doesn't deflect. He is a statesmen, the others are slim balls.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 24 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He is being honest. Whoever gets in will need to raise more tax. That’s inevitable. The Tories promising tax cuts are just lying. Which they can do, because they know they don’t have to prove it. Starmer hasn’t lied, but he has been economical with his words. It might be regrettable but it’s politics. It's good that you are finally showing your true colours. Starmer will be taxing the better off by stealth to pay for people who do nothing and waste money on useless projects, just like Labour always do. I am voting for real change, not just a slogan.
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| The groover Danbury 14 Jun 24 10.19am |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
There is probably only 4 people in politics who just by being present can rally people to their cause. Boris Johnson Everybody else in politics might as well not exist. Seeing Farage leading from the front has invigorated what was the most depressing & flat GE in my living memory. Now I am happy to see the populist centre right finally get a foothold similar to what we have been seeing spread across Europe here, We have a very real chance of replacing the Tories as the main opposition & I honestly think we will do it. I'm hoping beyond hope there are people within the movement who have the talent to carry on the ground work that is being laid today. I'm hopeful that Reform can start eating into the labour vote as well as the tory vote. Since Nigel F took over the numbers have been steadily increasing. Once the polls show that they are above the tories it may start to happen. Interestingly, the polls are across the UK as a whole. It seems that Reform is already on par or ahead of the tories in England.
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 becky over the moon 14 Jun 24 10.23am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I stumbled on the last 15 mins of the ITV “debate”:last night. I don’t watch such things as they seem to be just a pointless ritual we must go through at election time. Farage was on it. As he seems to be on every such show. I wouldn’t vote for any party he was involved with but if I needed any convincing that this guy is an empty headed, dangerous populist something he said last night would have convinced me. He argued for more referendums to “let the people decide themselves”. So much for Parliamentary democracy then! Here comes capital punishment and sinking small boats. Then I read this morning that there is growing evidence that there is foreign interference, via social media, in this election. This time to try to direct votes to Reform. Just as happened during the Brexit vote, with support provided for Leave. Why, and who would do that? Whilst this time no linkage has yet been established, during Brexit it was traced to the Russians. Why seems to be to create more division and upset in a western democracy. They have done it in the USA and elsewhere before, and doubtless were active during the recent EU elections. Bots are posting multiple messages, all very similar, under fictitious names, which are not being screened out as they should be. Reform themselves are unlikely to be involved, but they are benefiting from it. You say that as if it would be a bad thing......
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