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southnorwoodhill Flag 12 Dec 23 11.42am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Palace have one of the highest wage bills (as a % of revenue) in the Prem and this has limited our transfer activity over the years. Transfer fees are only 1 part of the total player package and so SP must take some of the blame for paying too much and giving players too long contracts. Similarly the big purchases and wages of Benteke and Sakho restricted our transfer activity for the next 4 or so years.

Jairo is a classic example. He is in his 7th season with the club yet has only played 70 odd league games, and many of those were as sub. To give him a 2 year extension when he still had 18 months left of his original contract was bizarre.
He clearly could go back to Holland yet knows he will have to take a massive pay cut so seems happy to take his £50k a week. The fact that he is a LB and DCM, areas where we have injuries now, and he still can't get a game speaks volumes.

Tomkins is the same. Has now rarely played for the last 4 years (including the season before MG and Andersen were signed), and when he has, has looked off the pace, but keeps getting renewed.
He must still be on a decent wage else he wouldn't renew and it must be more than say Champ sides could offer (as for example both Cahill and Dann dropped to Champ after we released them).

When i look at players like Hughes i can see why Watford weren't prepared to give him a payrise and he left to come to us. He's 28 and should be at his peak. He should definitely be able to cover for Doucoure, yet he's so off the pace it's embarrassing.

When you buy players from Arsenal and Man U (Holding and Hendersen) you know they will be on big wages so to give them parity they need to be first teamers. The fact neither has played 1 minute of league football for us speaks volumes.

Yes we have injuries in midfield but on paper this is probably the area we have the most cover - the fact they are not good enough is the issue.

CM - Doucoure and Lerma are first choices. Options include Schlupp, Hughes, Jairo, Ahamada and also young Ozoh. The 1st 3 are all on over £50k a week and the 4th cost over £10m.

This has clearly been policy since day one: Parish's model was to buy in seasoned pros on generous terms, key point being they keep us up. It's worked thus far, but Parish realised he had a problem; there is no sell on value, and everything costing more every day. Hence the recent interest in the academy and bringing youngsters through to hopefully make a profit and get the whole ball rolling. Parish has more or less said as much himself. Now he finds himself in the position whereby he has to sell to finance an upgrade on a terribly thin player pool, and hope that he can cover the player/s sold as well. It's just poor scouting and management, and not sustainable in the long run, as other clubs have found out.

 

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Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 12 Dec 23 12.20pm Send a Private Message to Brinscalleagle2 Add Brinscalleagle2 as a friend

Whilst we have issues of quality back up players and one or two first team players my view of the situation is that without multiple injuries to our key players we would not be having this conversation. Any squad outside the top 8/10 would be in the same situation as us with the loss of key players and would feel just as vulnerable as us.
My take on it now is that because of the situation we are in there will be significant signings/loans to cover for the situation and then when the injured players return to full fitness we will return to out to our mid table position. I don’t think any of us believe that with the squad we have when all available we would be relegation fodder so the addition of a few others in January and the returning player will resolve the issue and make us stronger in the run in.COYP

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 12 Dec 23 2.18pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Palace have one of the highest wage bills (as a % of revenue) in the Prem and this has limited our transfer activity over the years. Transfer fees are only 1 part of the total player package and so SP must take some of the blame for paying too much and giving players too long contracts. Similarly the big purchases and wages of Benteke and Sakho restricted our transfer activity for the next 4 or so years.

Jairo is a classic example. He is in his 7th season with the club yet has only played 70 odd league games, and many of those were as sub. To give him a 2 year extension when he still had 18 months left of his original contract was bizarre.
He clearly could go back to Holland yet knows he will have to take a massive pay cut so seems happy to take his £50k a week. The fact that he is a LB and DCM, areas where we have injuries now, and he still can't get a game speaks volumes.

Tomkins is the same. Has now rarely played for the last 4 years (including the season before MG and Andersen were signed), and when he has, has looked off the pace, but keeps getting renewed.
He must still be on a decent wage else he wouldn't renew and it must be more than say Champ sides could offer (as for example both Cahill and Dann dropped to Champ after we released them).

When i look at players like Hughes i can see why Watford weren't prepared to give him a payrise and he left to come to us. He's 28 and should be at his peak. He should definitely be able to cover for Doucoure, yet he's so off the pace it's embarrassing.

When you buy players from Arsenal and Man U (Holding and Hendersen) you know they will be on big wages so to give them parity they need to be first teamers. The fact neither has played 1 minute of league football for us speaks volumes.

Yes we have injuries in midfield but on paper this is probably the area we have the most cover - the fact they are not good enough is the issue.

CM - Doucoure and Lerma are first choices. Options include Schlupp, Hughes, Jairo, Ahamada and also young Ozoh. The 1st 3 are all on over £50k a week and the 4th cost over £10m.

This is one of my biggest issues, its absolutely ludicrous.

Between Jairo and Tomkins we'll donate nearly 5.5m to them. Its literally throwing money down the drain.

For comparison Townsend and Barkley are on about 2.1m collectively. And have both contributed significantly more whilst getting back to fitness.

Its poor decision after poor decision.

 

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Jacey Flag 12 Dec 23 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

This is one of my biggest issues, its absolutely ludicrous.

Between Jairo and Tomkins we'll donate nearly 5.5m to them. Its literally throwing money down the drain.

For comparison Townsend and Barkley are on about 2.1m collectively. And have both contributed significantly more whilst getting back to fitness.

Its poor decision after poor decision.

Agreed,its called the Palace way of doing things.
Signing a goal keeper with fees,climbing to £20m ,is a case in point.Hopeless!!

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 23 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Brinscalleagle2

Whilst we have issues of quality back up players and one or two first team players my view of the situation is that without multiple injuries to our key players we would not be having this conversation. Any squad outside the top 8/10 would be in the same situation as us with the loss of key players and would feel just as vulnerable as us.
My take on it now is that because of the situation we are in there will be significant signings/loans to cover for the situation and then when the injured players return to full fitness we will return to out to our mid table position. I don’t think any of us believe that with the squad we have when all available we would be relegation fodder so the addition of a few others in January and the returning player will resolve the issue and make us stronger in the run in.COYP

Whilst this may be true, it would surely suggest that we planned for going through the season entirely without injuries? Spending money on players who cannot even play for the first team also suggests this.

Is there any footballing or financial sense in this if... big 'IF', we do get relegated and/or have to spend a load of money in January?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have been shrewd in acquiring a decent squad, able to get us through the season in the first instance? I'll drive myself mad here so leave it at that!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 12 Dec 23 4.15pm Send a Private Message to Brinscalleagle2 Add Brinscalleagle2 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Whilst this may be true, it would surely suggest that we planned for going through the season entirely without injuries? Spending money on players who cannot even play for the first team also suggests this.

Is there any footballing or financial sense in this if... big 'IF', we do get relegated and/or have to spend a load of money in January?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have been shrewd in acquiring a decent squad, able to get us through the season in the first instance? I'll drive myself mad here so leave it at that!

I thoroughly agree that we must know going through a season that there will be injuries and that we need to have cover for them of such a standard that it will not affect us badly. We clearly have not and in addition we have not brought in players in areas of weakness going back several years. My point really is about survival and that when they get back playing we have a team that can more than hold their own in the league and if we can get additional players that are ready to play then we will end up with a squad more than capable of survival. This in no way suggests that I believe that our recruitment has been adequate to date. COYP

Edited by Brinscalleagle2 (12 Dec 2023 4.17pm)

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 23 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Brinscalleagle2

I thoroughly agree that we must know going through a season that there will be injuries and that we need to have cover for them of such a standard that it will not affect us badly. We clearly have not and in addition we have not brought in players in areas of weakness going back several years. My point really is about survival and that when they get back playing we have a team that can more than hold their own in the league and if we can get additional players that are ready to play then we will end up with a squad more than capable of survival. This in no way suggests that I believe that our recruitment has been adequate to date. COYP

Edited by Brinscalleagle2 (12 Dec 2023 4.17pm)

Yep, agree.

I think similarly to another post I responded to not along ago, just to be clear, any umbrage/frustration I am showing is not with you Brinscall, just my generalist gripes!

The word 'hubris' was employed by someone the other day and I am inclined to agree. As a very uninformed guess I assumed the board were thinking 'Hodgson + a half decent squad before injuries, we'll be fine and can spend our money on a long shot Brazilian wonderkid and a currently available GK who will represent ROI eventually... and Rob Holding JIC this is the year Tomkins can quite literally no longer run'.

That perceived hubris looks to have backfired, we may well be alright further down the line if people come back from injury, we get no more and confidence/performances pick up, but it feels very, very precarious atm.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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palace99 Flag New Mills 12 Dec 23 4.50pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Whilst this may be true, it would surely suggest that we planned for going through the season entirely without injuries? Spending money on players who cannot even play for the first team also suggests this.

Is there any footballing or financial sense in this if... big 'IF', we do get relegated and/or have to spend a load of money in January?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have been shrewd in acquiring a decent squad, able to get us through the season in the first instance? I'll drive myself mad here so leave it at that!

Have to agree - before the season started i thought with Olise and Eze playing together regularly we should be able to muddle through, but of course we already knew Olise would be out for a minimum of 3 months.
In Jan/Feb we will also lose Ayew who has arguably been our most consistent performer this season.

Yes we've had some injuries but clearly if you only have 1 left back the problem is intensified.

Our 2 CBs are key for us and these 2 have rarely missed a game in the last 2.5 years.

Teams such as Brighton seem to replace their departures from within their squads yet 4 years on we still haven't replaced AWB.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 14 Dec 23 8.16am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Just for balance, Bournemouth had 7 first team injuries (one more than us), when they bashed us up recently. Is that a reflection on the fact they have greater squad depth than us and if so, why?

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 14 Dec 23 9.51am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Just for balance, Bournemouth had 7 first team injuries (one more than us), when they bashed us up recently. Is that a reflection on the fact they have greater squad depth than us and if so, why?


Because their new owner splashed out quite a bit of dosh in the Summer transfer window (over £100m) plus a couple of useful loan signings (Sinisterra from Leeds and Radu from Inter) and it's paying off.

 

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Andy0629 Flag Warlingham 15 Dec 23 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Andy0629 Add Andy0629 as a friend

The board will play Roulette in January, hoping we keep the quality that we have, sign someone for the future….. hope our injuries clear up and the bottom three continue to be worse than us. The reality of us and the teams behind us in the last 6 games is us and Forest have only picked up 4pts Everton have 13pts, Luton 4pts, Burley 4pts, Sheff Utd 7pts. Our down fall this year will be dropping points against teams around us Luton, Everton, Bournemouth etc.
Potentially we could be 17th by the end of the weekend, with the next 4 fixtures being Brighton, Chelsea, Brentford, Arsenal, zero return from them games and Luton picking up 7 pts we will be bottom 3, Luton have winnable games in that period Bournemouth, Burnley, Sheff Utd.
So come end of January the chances of attracting anyone or real quality who would want to join and make a difference is going to be difficult.
All ifs and buts however that’s the reality.

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Dec 23 1.26pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Just used Lanzo's favourite site Transfermkt, it seems we have 8(eight) players who's contracts end in the summer(30-June) & only one has a 1yr club option . . . [Link]

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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