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 Midlands Eagle  10 Jan 24 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Tell Parish that as it was he that said it a couple of years ago
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| thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 10 Jan 24 5.44pm |
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The thing is what is the next level? most clubs in the PL and a few in the championship are in essence the same, unless you are owned by a oligarch or a country there is no next level, the big clubs can buy the players they want, very few players will turn down a megabucks move.
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| TheBigToePunt 10 Jan 24 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by thegreatlardino
The thing is what is the next level? most clubs in the PL and a few in the championship are in essence the same, unless you are owned by a oligarch or a country there is no next level, the big clubs can buy the players they want, very few players will turn down a megabucks move. It is, and it is as much a punishment as it is a reward. In a logical structure, teams would be able to aim for Europa League football and use it as a basecamp from which to develop their teams even further, hopefully into Champions League hopefuls. In reality, anyone our size who finishes 7th immediately has to choose between having a decent crack at Europe at the expense of the league, or the opposite. Modern football. It's s***.
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| CpfcWeTrust1 11 Jan 24 12.17pm |
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I don't really understand this vision that giving the club over to somebody with loads of money means guaranteed success. It doesn't. It means spending lots of money on supposedly good players but it doesn't guarantee you a good manager nor players that want to fight for the badge. Hence why DF and Parish always spout on about finding the right players. It also doesn't help the fact that Selhurst is still in a bloody horrid place for it to expand unless you build a new stadium elsewhere. It also doesn't get away from FFP. Palace doesn't bring in lots of money and is reliant on selling assets to cover that.... it seems to me that DF has found quite a few young assets lately which can be sold and we now have an academy producing some young talent which will hopefully show more as the years go on. There are plenty of teams around us, below us and only just above us with billionaire owners. Brighton have done very well to get where they are but they still have to sell lots of their players and find new ones. They have done this with ample success of late because Chelsea are completely insane with throwing money at players. Could Parish do better? Most likely, but he is human. Does anybody reasonably think Textor has the clubs interests at heart? The other 2 Americans have their sights on other sports franchises in the US, and they probably don't pay attention to Selhurst Park because it's such a headache to expand and upgrade.
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| MrRobbo Purley 12 Jan 24 8.47am |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Sorry, long post incoming, but it's an interesting subject. As the OP says, it is in many ways the topic behind all other topics that we discuss. Edited by TheBigToePunt (10 Jan 2024 9.29pm) What a great post TBTP. It encapsulates a lot of my feelings. The main one being almost everyone here is desperate for us to make that next step. But nobody is really sure what that is, and more importantly what risk it would involve. Given the top are almost uncatchable, I always find it helpful to take a look at an alternative league table: top half of the Championship and bottom half of the Prem (almost super league style). That would sit us 4th in the table, but just look a the list of historically BIG teams we are ahead of Forrest, Everton, Sheffield, Leicester, Saints, Leeds, Brom, Sunderland etc etc
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| MrRobbo Purley 12 Jan 24 8.48am |
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Originally posted by thegreatlardino
The thing is what is the next level? most clubs in the PL and a few in the championship are in essence the same, unless you are owned by a oligarch or a country there is no next level, the big clubs can buy the players they want, very few players will turn down a megabucks move. For me yes. But not expecting it every season. Once every, say, 5 years it would be lovely to have an FA Cup run to Wembley, or away at Quarabag FK.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Jan 24 9.15am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
What a great post TBTP. It encapsulates a lot of my feelings. The main one being almost everyone here is desperate for us to make that next step. But nobody is really sure what that is, and more importantly what risk it would involve. Given the top are almost uncatchable, I always find it helpful to take a look at an alternative league table: top half of the Championship and bottom half of the Prem (almost super league style). That would sit us 4th in the table, but just look a the list of historically BIG teams we are ahead of Forrest, Everton, Sheffield, Leicester, Saints, Leeds, Brom, Sunderland etc etc I think the obvious flaw and most miserable thing to point out in every aspiration is to then ask 'what next after that?'. For example, we move to a bigger stadium, finish outside the 'big boys', qualify for Europe, then we will want to push for a title, and Champions League, then every trophy etc. etc. For me, the next step is less important than the restoration of competing for something beyond a mundane but stable and admirable finish outside of the relegation zone. We have already made a step up in ascending above the main candidate pool for relegation each season. I would therefore describe the next step up as having a competitive first XI, where we have a squad with players still trying to break into it as opposed to glaring holes which then make us look very vulnerable with sometimes only a single absentee. Once we have that, relegation may become so distant a thought we do actually turn our attention to the cups and perhaps confidently assess where we will be finishing within the top half, and if we can achieve a European spot, as opposed to 'will we be relegated or not?' and 'when is so-and-so back as we're nothing and getting relegated without him?' etc. Just my opinion of course.
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| silvertop Portishead 12 Jan 24 9.31am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I think the obvious flaw and most miserable thing to point out in every aspiration is to then ask 'what next after that?'. For example, we move to a bigger stadium, finish outside the 'big boys', qualify for Europe, then we will want to push for a title, and Champions League, then every trophy etc. etc. For me, the next step is less important than the restoration of competing for something beyond a mundane but stable and admirable finish outside of the relegation zone. We have already made a step up in ascending above the main candidate pool for relegation each season. I would therefore describe the next step up as having a competitive first XI, where we have a squad with players still trying to break into it as opposed to glaring holes which then make us look very vulnerable with sometimes only a single absentee. Once we have that, relegation may become so distant a thought we do actually turn our attention to the cups and perhaps confidently assess where we will be finishing within the top half, and if we can achieve a European spot, as opposed to 'will we be relegated or not?' and 'when is so-and-so back as we're nothing and getting relegated without him?' etc. Just my opinion of course. And one widely shared. I check the EPL Injury Table before I check the EPL table! Bar the most dramatic change in fortune, we will never have a squad like Man City. However, it would be nice to have a mid table equivalent where gaps are not filled by playing the walking wounded, or a player out of natural position, or one not playing to the necessary standard.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Jan 24 9.51am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
And one widely shared. I check the EPL Injury Table before I check the EPL table! Bar the most dramatic change in fortune, we will never have a squad like Man City. However, it would be nice to have a mid table equivalent where gaps are not filled by playing the walking wounded, or a player out of natural position, or one not playing to the necessary standard. Absolutely!
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