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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Feb 24 10.12am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Surely nobody can blame Roy for last night's result? Our cut price team stood up pretty well to Chelsea's high priced outfit.

Unfortunately our players lost concentration in added time, but overall I thought Roy did well to field an enterprising team from the limited resources available to him.

Where was the game management? Where were the substitutions? We might have got a point at the least. Losing concentration is likely tiredness. Having not managed the squad well all season exacerbates the tiredness. We needed subs on the hour or around that mark.

 


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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 13 Feb 24 10.46am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Where was the game management? Where were the substitutions? We might have got a point at the least. Losing concentration is likely tiredness. Having not managed the squad well all season exacerbates the tiredness. We needed subs on the hour or around that mark.

A Pullis or an Allerdyce team would have got 1-1 last night.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 24 10.54am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

A Pullis or an Allerdyce team would have got 1-1 last night.

A Pulis team would have had the likes of Jedinak and Damo - real, on pitch leaders. The current squad has none.

 


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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 13 Feb 24 11.19am Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

A Pullis or an Allerdyce team would have got 1-1 last night.


Pullis would have won that game.

Very poor Chelsea team and Roy gives others too much respect.

The other thing about Pullis he knew how important it is too defend and score set plays.

Edited by grumpymort (13 Feb 2024 11.23am)

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Feb 24 11.44am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I agree that Pulis was adept at defending leads.We looked solid.

Last night’s more encouraging display shouldn’t mask the fact that we conceded another 3 goals and continue to look vulnerable .
I believe it’s now something like 2 wins in 15 games which is relegation form.
Defeat to Everton in the next game would really crank up the pressure on Hodgson.
The more this inability to pick up results continues, the more we’re likely to have to rely upon there being 3 teams worse than us.
How have we got to a stage where scraping clear of relegation can be considered a success?
If we do lose to Everton and then fail to beat Burnley I believe it will be difficult for Hodgson to stay in post.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 24 11.51am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I agree that Pulis was adept at defending leads.We looked solid.

Last night’s more encouraging display shouldn’t mask the fact that we conceded another 3 goals and continue to look vulnerable .
I believe it’s now something like 2 wins in 15 games which is relegation form.
Defeat to Everton in the next game would really crank up the pressure on Hodgson.
The more this inability to pick up results continues, the more we’re likely to have to rely upon there being 3 teams worse than us.
How have we got to a stage where scraping clear of relegation can be considered a success?
If we do lose to Everton and then fail to beat Burnley I believe it will be difficult for Hodgson to stay in post.

And presumably that much more difficult to find a replacement.

And to answer your question, staying up I wouldn't consider a success just preferable to the alternative.

Lots of lessons to be learned from this season. Parish is many things but stupid is not one of them.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 24 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

And presumably that much more difficult to find a replacement.

And to answer your question, staying up I wouldn't consider a success just preferable to the alternative.

Lots of lessons to be learned from this season. Parish is many things but stupid is not one of them.

Is the correct answer.
Steve Parish is a shimmerer, a gentleman of erudition and wisdom.

Edited by Willo (13 Feb 2024 12.15pm)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 13 Feb 24 12.27pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I respectfully disagree with any excuses for the manager last night. I'd think it delusional to say we should be expecting a result against Chelsea so my comments are not in isolation.

GK - Unless there is something behind the scenes that the club are keeping completely silent upon, for whatever reason, the continued selection of Henderson over Johnstone is clearly an incorrect one and makes the investment in Henderson, above other areas that needed resourcing too, look absolutely insane.

Poor substitutions - have been a theme since the beginning with Roy and last night was no different. We've now lost our best player due to a beyond bizarre decision.

Conceding very costly goals either early or late in games - once, twice, maybe a few times this might be chalked down to bad luck but is clearly a management issue and continuous theme.

Set pieces - the centre of his England debacle and we continue to be vulnerable to them and incapable of capitalising upon them for goals of our own.

Fitness - Players looking shattered and long out of games well before they end.

Shirking responsibility - The fans are unrealistic, the players aren't good enough, it was the medical staff, it's just bad luck. I'm unaware of any other professional context where blaming everything around you for poor performance is acceptable.

We have the fourth lowest goal tally in the league, is it three home wins all season and only two wins in about fifteen games now - These are facts not opinions.

What is the argument for Roy as a sincere question? He sets us up well? He makes us hard to beat even if we're not entertaining? He has vast experience? There's literally nobody else? May have been the case seasons before but the evidence for him, or lack of it this season, is reflected in the results. He sets us up negatively, lacks any ability to coach set pieces or even attacking play, man-management is in question, he's lost many fans, he can't manage in-game, seems overwhelmed by the mere concept of a substitution... the list goes on from what I can/have seen.

The only argument for him that I can see is that there is nobody else to come in which is very pathetic if so. He looks to have run out of ideas this season. It's not vitriol or resentment, he just doesn't look capable of producing any better for us and completely out of water with the modern game and the opposition who've adapted for it.

It might have been an improved performance against Chelsea but were there any changes there that the fans have not been calling for, for months now? In that case we're all better qualified already. We may have four key players out but that's a new development, not one that can be blamed for the months before.

I'm not sure to what extent fans are supposed to be satisfied watching us lose, often quite pathetically, week after week whilst being told it's just unfortunate and we should hold our nerve as things will miraculously get better despite a vast array of grievances being held?

It's a really sh!t situation, there can't be any doubt. It has all the hallmarks of the chickens coming home to roost following years of apathy in player investment and coaching appointments. It's happened at other clubs and may be happening here.

It's no fun supporting Palace this season, not for me anyway, there's been so little to cheer let alone get excited about and it looks to be headed only one way. I'll keep plodding along to games however, singing GAO and cheering on the team as best I can though. I'm not one for banners, booing or any other demonstrations (although I don't criticise those that do so within reason) but my expectations and hope have left the building, as has my faith in the manager.

Very good Nick. A tidy summary of the issues we face and our failure to deal with them.

 

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View RednBlue Eagle's Profile RednBlue Eagle Flag Horsham 13 Feb 24 12.46pm Send a Private Message to RednBlue Eagle Add RednBlue Eagle as a friend

Hodgsons involvement in the game (as I see it):-

Look at Holmesdale online for the team sheet, but change the goalkeeper to give Chelsea a chance, play Hughes in attack where he can’t contribute and Wharton further back where he has too much work on to be creative.

Give team talk before the game in order to completely demoralise them. (It worked we barely touched the ball for 10 minutes.)
Look astonished and slightly disappointed when Lerma scores a worldy.

Half time demoralising team talk. “Defend the one goal lead like I always tell you” (Yes, we know what will happen) sure enough Chelsea score straight away. (Why do they listen to him, it happens almost every game. It is only as they forget what he said, they get better.)

(Thought) “Need to get a message on they’ve forgotten what I said before”. Make a sub Take Hughes off and put a light weight on with the message “Attack Attack Attack”.

Notice Franca is tiring (Thought) “The supporters were right our team has been so much better with the younger players, I had better put an old one on with the message “all out attack”.

(Thought) “Another game where my contribution is obvious”.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Feb 24 1.13pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend


I know you’re being whimsical, but interestingly enough I’ve just heard Pulis talking on the radio about his time at Palace.
Apparently he had a 43% win rate (which is pretty remarkable) and won Manager of the Year for his time with us.
He spoke so much common sense.
He said if you haven’t got forwards who can score goals, you have to work on keeping clean sheets. He said there were stats that they would average you about 2 points a game .
He said he disliked the trend of passing the ball around between the defenders.
I do feel that Hodgson has been caught between 2 stools this season and we’ve ended up neither defending nor attacking properly.
We’re not efficient in either box.
We have scored 27 goals this season, but conceded 43 leading to a GD of 16.

Originally posted by RednBlue Eagle

Hodgsons involvement in the game (as I see it):-

Look at Holmesdale online for the team sheet, but change the goalkeeper to give Chelsea a chance, play Hughes in attack where he can’t contribute and Wharton further back where he has too much work on to be creative.

Give team talk before the game in order to completely demoralise them. (It worked we barely touched the ball for 10 minutes.)
Look astonished and slightly disappointed when Lerma scores a worldy.

Half time demoralising team talk. “Defend the one goal lead like I always tell you” (Yes, we know what will happen) sure enough Chelsea score straight away. (Why do they listen to him, it happens almost every game. It is only as they forget what he said, they get better.)

(Thought) “Need to get a message on they’ve forgotten what I said before”. Make a sub Take Hughes off and put a light weight on with the message “Attack Attack Attack”.

Notice Franca is tiring (Thought) “The supporters were right our team has been so much better with the younger players, I had better put an old one on with the message “all out attack”.

(Thought) “Another game where my contribution is obvious”.

 

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View Rainforest's Profile Rainforest Flag London England 13 Feb 24 1.41pm Send a Private Message to Rainforest Add Rainforest as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA


I know you’re being whimsical, but interestingly enough I’ve just heard Pulis talking on the radio about his time at Palace.
Apparently he had a 43% win rate (which is pretty remarkable) and won Manager of the Year for his time with us.
He spoke so much common sense.
He said if you haven’t got forwards who can score goals, you have to work on keeping clean sheets. He said there were stats that they would average you about 2 points a game .
He said he disliked the trend of passing the ball around between the defenders.
I do feel that Hodgson has been caught between 2 stools this season and we’ve ended up neither defending nor attacking properly.
We’re not efficient in either box.
We have scored 27 goals this season, but conceded 43 leading to a GD of 16.

These triangle passes between the goalkeeper and two defenders in own danger area also happened during Viera's reign and carried own by Hodgson. They just slowed down us getting ball upfield and/or transition from defence to attack allowing the opposition defence to regroup.


 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Feb 24 4.26pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Ed Aarons in the Guardian has just reported that Parish has made a move for McKenna but been knocked back as McKenna doesn't want to move at this stage.
The report goes on to say we will try and get him at the end of the season.

 

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