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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 06 Feb 24 6.26am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Wouldnít it just be a Palace thing to do to be relegated the very year it starts to build the new stand?
This is not another anti Hodgson or anti Parish thread, but an attempt to try and understand the logic of the clubís approach.
These are not stupid people running the club.
However,
1)By my calculations we have spent in excess of £60 million since the summer, but have not addressed the main priority -a replacement for Zaha.
Iím not talking a like for like replacement as that would be very difficult, but a player who can fill the yawning gap on the left side of our attack.
We havenít even addressed this via the loan market.
Since Mitchell has little in the way of attacking skills and Schlupp is past his best we carry zero threat down the left.
Some might suggest that Franca was earmarked for this role, but he looks a totally different type of player to Zaha.
2) Following on from the above, the money has been spent in a way thatís difficult to understand. Weíve purchased a keeper when we already had a perfectly good one in Johnstone, we bought a centre half when we already have 4, we bought an expensive young Brazilian who the manager doesnít seem to trust.
There seems to be a disconnect between who weíve bought and what we actually need.
3) The Doucoure injury is unfortunate, but perhaps the same cannot be said in quite the same way about Olise and Eze. Both sadly have chequered injury histories which make it unlikely that either will be able to complete 38 game seasons. This problem seems to be compounded by the apparent disconnect between the medical team and the management.Itís a huge gamble to rely on these two players in isolation.
4) Which brings me to the new stand. Has the obsession with the new stand mean the club has taken its eye off the ball in other areas? This is not to suggest that the new stand is a bad idea, but has it deflected attention from on field matters? Others have suggested that the finances for the stand are totally separate from e.g the transfer budget but I canít pretend to understand these aspects.
5) We donít seem to have a succession plan for the manager in contrast to e.g Brighton who seem relaxed about a possible departure for DeZerbi, knowing they will have a replacement lined up.
We seem to like to keep older players around the scene, but is there a reasoning in place as to what they bring?Are they best in class which is what we should be striving for?

In conclusion it is difficult to see a joined up approach or strategy to our approach this season and beyond.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Feb 24 7.46am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I think the answer to your question is '' no ''.

But I'll qualify that by saying that bad decisions have and are being made that contribute to the current position.

In no particular order ;

1. Enabling Zaha to pontificate over the contract offered to him. Should have set a deadline which made it viable to find a replacement.

2. Appointing a manager that inherently doesn't trust young players - and then blow half of your limited budget on a teenager ( who wasn't fit and had no pre season ).

3. Henderson !

4. The January window. No disrespect to Munoz and Wharton, both of whom I hope have a lot to offer. But I think Palace needed an experienced leader as I think we badly lack that on the field.

5. Management of injuries. Accepting that hamstring injuries are now prevalent in the game, who is calling the shots here ? Managers will always want to play their best players and we saw what happened at the Amex. But should the Medical Team even cleared Olise for 45 minutes ? I question that.

6. My pet hate. Being told what the club's ambitions / aims are when most can see, for a lot of the reasons above, that they are totally unrealistic. At the moment those Top Ten statements look embarrassing.

New Stand - agree, I've no idea how the finances work for that. I thought the initial investment by Harris and Blitzer had been ring fenced for that. It should have no impact on how a transfer budget is spent. Freedman is Director of Football and as such should not have any involvement in stadium development.

Succession Plan for the next manager ? - We don't know if one exists or not. I think our gut feeling here is that there isn't. As for Brighton / DeZerbi, they are taking the same approach as they do with players. Develop, sell and move on. They will have a plan in place for sure as they know DeZerbi will be highly sought after.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Feb 24 9.55am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I love how suddenly everyone knows how to run the club better than Steve Parish.

I don't presume to know the thought processes behind decisions. I merely have the right to agree or disagree with them based on face value.

I think the warning signs were there for Olise's fragility way before this season, but you can't just find a deputy for a player like him, nor could we probably afford them.

Certainly, I thought that we needed to boost the squad in certain obvious positions in the summer and was surprised when we ended up with a luxury untested youngster and another goalkeeper. Equally, I also thought that if there was any season that we would be comfortably safe from relegation, it would be this season. I'm guessing that the Chairman thought that too.

Unfortunately, events have conspired against us this time and the last thing we need now is disharmony.

Realistically, we have probably lost two games that we should have won this season. We have got two new quality players and must now find some grit to get through this difficult spell.

Solidarity.

 

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View georgey wood's Profile georgey wood Flag South London and Proud 06 Feb 24 9.59am Send a Private Message to georgey wood Add georgey wood as a friend

Totally agree! All we can do is get behind Crystal Palace FC. All the rest is just white noise and has no impact.

COYP.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Feb 24 10.07am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I love how suddenly everyone knows how to run the club better than Steve Parish.

I don't presume to know the thought processes behind decisions. I merely have the right to agree or disagree with them based on face value.

I think the warning signs were there for Olise's fragility way before this season, but you can't just find a deputy for a player like him, nor could we probably afford them.

Certainly, I thought that we needed to boost the squad in certain obvious positions in the summer and was surprised when we ended up with a luxury untested youngster and another goalkeeper. Equally, I also thought that if there was any season that we would be comfortably safe from relegation, it would be this season. I'm guessing that the Chairman thought that too.

Unfortunately, events have conspired against us this time and the last thing we need now is disharmony.

Realistically, we have probably lost two games that we should have won this season. We have got two new quality players and must now find some grit to get through this difficult spell.

Solidarity.

Everybody makes mistakes.

Parish is far better qualified than I am to run the club. But he's not infallible and I am commenting on where I think things could have been done better or differently.

I agree that the injuries to Eze and Olise could not have been foreseen, but it's back to the old issue of the strength of the squad overall.

I would say realistically, the performances, even in the few wins we have enjoyed this season, have left a lot to be desired.

I've defended Hodgson on here for months, but recent events have left me now firmly in the ' Hodgson Out ' camp. The Olise farce on Saturday was the final straw for me.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 06 Feb 24 10.17am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

My post wasn't to criticise Parish or suggest that me or anybody on this board could do better.
I don't understand the strategy and raised some issues about whether the club had lost focus as some of the decisions have been unfathomable, at least to me.
Perhaps somebody can come up with a logic as to the decision making process.
It could be, as one poster has put it, that events have conspired against us, but it could be more fundamental than that.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I love how suddenly everyone knows how to run the club better than Steve Parish.

I don't presume to know the thought processes behind decisions. I merely have the right to agree or disagree with them based on face value.

I think the warning signs were there for Olise's fragility way before this season, but you can't just find a deputy for a player like him, nor could we probably afford them.

Certainly, I thought that we needed to boost the squad in certain obvious positions in the summer and was surprised when we ended up with a luxury untested youngster and another goalkeeper. Equally, I also thought that if there was any season that we would be comfortably safe from relegation, it would be this season. I'm guessing that the Chairman thought that too.

Unfortunately, events have conspired against us this time and the last thing we need now is disharmony.

Realistically, we have probably lost two games that we should have won this season. We have got two new quality players and must now find some grit to get through this difficult spell.

Solidarity.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Feb 24 10.18am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Wouldnít it just be a Palace thing to do to be relegated the very year it starts to build the new stand?
This is not another anti Hodgson or anti Parish thread, but an attempt to try and understand the logic of the clubís approach.
These are not stupid people running the club.
However,
1)By my calculations we have spent in excess of £60 million since the summer, but have not addressed the main priority -a replacement for Zaha.
Iím not talking a like for like replacement as that would be very difficult, but a player who can fill the yawning gap on the left side of our attack.
We havenít even addressed this via the loan market.
Since Mitchell has little in the way of attacking skills and Schlupp is past his best we carry zero threat down the left.
Some might suggest that Franca was earmarked for this role, but he looks a totally different type of player to Zaha.
2) Following on from the above, the money has been spent in a way thatís difficult to understand. Weíve purchased a keeper when we already had a perfectly good one in Johnstone, we bought a centre half when we already have 4, we bought an expensive young Brazilian who the manager doesnít seem to trust.
There seems to be a disconnect between who weíve bought and what we actually need.
3) The Doucoure injury is unfortunate, but perhaps the same cannot be said in quite the same way about Olise and Eze. Both sadly have chequered injury histories which make it unlikely that either will be able to complete 38 game seasons. This problem seems to be compounded by the apparent disconnect between the medical team and the management.Itís a huge gamble to rely on these two players in isolation.
4) Which brings me to the new stand. Has the obsession with the new stand mean the club has taken its eye off the ball in other areas? This is not to suggest that the new stand is a bad idea, but has it deflected attention from on field matters? Others have suggested that the finances for the stand are totally separate from e.g the transfer budget but I canít pretend to understand these aspects.
5) We donít seem to have a succession plan for the manager in contrast to e.g Brighton who seem relaxed about a possible departure for DeZerbi, knowing they will have a replacement lined up.
We seem to like to keep older players around the scene, but is there a reasoning in place as to what they bring?Are they best in class which is what we should be striving for?

In conclusion it is difficult to see a joined up approach or strategy to our approach this season and beyond.


Very good post.
I would add that Zaha was never going to be easy to replace, but we haven't even tried.
Another part of planning that hardly exists at Palace unlike Brighton is selling our stars at the right time when a good offer comes in. We are just not geared up right. Zaha could easily have commanded £65m but instead got a massive wage increase and ended up going for zero. That was not good business.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Feb 24 10.30am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I love how suddenly everyone knows how to run the club better than Steve Parish.

I don't presume to know the thought processes behind decisions. I merely have the right to agree or disagree with them based on face value.

I think the warning signs were there for Olise's fragility way before this season, but you can't just find a deputy for a player like him, nor could we probably afford them.

Certainly, I thought that we needed to boost the squad in certain obvious positions in the summer and was surprised when we ended up with a luxury untested youngster and another goalkeeper. Equally, I also thought that if there was any season that we would be comfortably safe from relegation, it would be this season. I'm guessing that the Chairman thought that too.

Unfortunately, events have conspired against us this time and the last thing we need now is disharmony.

Realistically, we have probably lost two games that we should have won this season. We have got two new quality players and must now find some grit to get through this difficult spell.

Solidarity.


Hrolf,
Surely that is what this board is all about. I love reading other fans views on how things work or not at Palace and how to correct them. I also dont mind having a stab at it myself. What its all about being a fan no?
Airing your view, getting it off your chest, sharing your gripe, telling us all how it could be done bette, or even commending what is going on.
Freedom to air.
Like you've just done!

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 06 Feb 24 10.38am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I love how suddenly everyone knows how to run the club better than Steve Parish.

I don't presume to know the thought processes behind decisions. I merely have the right to agree or disagree with them based on face value.

I think the warning signs were there for Olise's fragility way before this season, but you can't just find a deputy for a player like him, nor could we probably afford them.

Certainly, I thought that we needed to boost the squad in certain obvious positions in the summer and was surprised when we ended up with a luxury untested youngster and another goalkeeper. Equally, I also thought that if there was any season that we would be comfortably safe from relegation, it would be this season. I'm guessing that the Chairman thought that too.

Unfortunately, events have conspired against us this time and the last thing we need now is disharmony.

Realistically, we have probably lost two games that we should have won this season. We have got two new quality players and must now find some grit to get through this difficult spell.

Solidarity.

I don't think people do in reality. But its hard to disagree with anything in NEILLO or PatrickA's posts. Not replacing Zaha, odd expensive signings, playing half injured players and getting surprised when they get injured again, getting an out of touch manager in. Not utilising the loan market, the list could go on.

The job is an incredibly hard one, made harder by the comparative lack of finances.

But some of the decision making is baffling.

 

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View MFW94's Profile MFW94 Flag Sutton 06 Feb 24 10.53am Send a Private Message to MFW94 Add MFW94 as a friend

My main issue is that we sacked PV in March 2023, and since then we should have been scouring the world and europe for a suitable manager to join in the summer.

When it got to July and we still hadnt appointed anyone, it was clearly obvious they were going to reppoint roy.

Here we are a year later, with the same 2/3 manager names being mentioned, still with Roy in charge.

Why has the club in nearly 12 months not had a suitable shortlist with achievable to get managers - hate to go on about brighton but they had a list ready to go when Potter left, Bournemouth had a list of managers and got Idraola early. i can bet Brentford already have a list of suitable managers to replace Frank when he leaves.

I am unsure what Parish, Freedman and co have been looking at for 12 months.

Theres a world of managers out there outside of Cooper and Potter if you search in the right places.

Edited by MFW94 (06 Feb 2024 10.53am)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Feb 24 11.04am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider


Hrolf,
Surely that is what this board is all about. I love reading other fans views on how things work or not at Palace and how to correct them. I also dont mind having a stab at it myself. What its all about being a fan no?
Airing your view, getting it off your chest, sharing your gripe, telling us all how it could be done bette, or even commending what is going on.
Freedom to air.
Like you've just done!

I'm not questioning people's right to discussion or disagreement.

What erks me is some of the vitriolic nonsense aimed at Parish and Hodgson on various Palace forums and on match days.
This unfortunate episode seems to have exposed a rather unsavoury element in our fan base who have totally unrealistic ideas about our status and think it's OK to hurl abuse at players, manager and chairman.

I feel sorry for our two new boys, who must wonder what the hell they have walked in to.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Feb 24 11.04am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by MFW94

My main issue is that we sacked PV in March 2023, and since then we should have been scouring the world and europe for a suitable manager to join in the summer.

When it got to July and we still hadnt appointed anyone, it was clearly obvious they were going to reppoint roy.

Here we are a year later, with the same 2/3 manager names being mentioned, still with Roy in charge.

Why has the club in nearly 12 months not had a suitable shortlist with achievable to get managers - hate to go on about brighton but they had a list ready to go when Potter left, Bournemouth had a list of managers and got Idraola early. i can bet Brentford already have a list of suitable managers to replace Frank when he leaves.

I am unsure what Parish, Freedman and co have been looking at for 12 months.

Theres a world of managers out there outside of Cooper and Potter if you search in the right places.

Edited by MFW94 (06 Feb 2024 10.53am)

Top drawer post. Totally agree

 

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