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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Feb 24 9.47am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I don’t think he’s a tracking back winger.
I recognise that in the modern game, everybody has to do their share of defensive work but it could lead to a mindset of more what Franca can’t do as opposed to what he can do.
I’d like to see him more in an inside forward role where he can float around in the final third.
However, since Roy doesn’t play this way I think his opportunities will be confined to wide areas.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Feb 24 10.05am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I thought he did ok, nothing more.

He showed glimpses of why there's been the clamour for him to start games and he also showed glimpses of why he hasn't previously.

At the moment I see few options but to give him a run in the team and get some on the job learning.

I've said it before, if he had come out of the Academy I would say that he's got potential, and carefully managed could have a future.

But he cost what to Palace is a small fortune. The club need him to succeed, it can't just be an aspiration.

 


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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 13 Feb 24 10.15am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

I enjoyed watching him. He is very raw but definitely stretched their back four when running at them. He grew more into the game as it went on and was unlucky with that run and shot. He is an out and out attacker not someone who will cover our defenders which in Roys world is more important. Hope he gets more chances.

 

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View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 13 Feb 24 10.59am Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Anyone know the words to his song? Sounded great and he was grinning from ear to ear as he walked off.

 

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 13 Feb 24 11.03am Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

I think the time to judge him is after he has had a run of games and had time to adjust to the demands of the league in both a physical and tactical sense.
At the moment, I find it hard to believe Palace paid an initial £14m for him based on the evidence so far. Compare that to what has been paid for Olise, Eze, Wharton etc who all seemed so much more advanced in terms of their development and ability to quickly adapt to the PL.
As other have said, if he had emerged from the academy at very little cost one might feel more sympathetic. However, at the moment he looks so far off the pace tactically and doesn't really strike me as having a significant goal threat going forward where his nerves seem to get the better of him. An awful lot of patience is going to be required I suspect.

 

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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 13 Feb 24 11.21am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Like everyone else I saw flaws in his performance and my Palace group chat was filled with comments about him not tracking back.

Part of me agrees, part of me thinks that half of the reason that we struggle so much in front of goal is that our attacking players are judged on their defensive output.

When we often play four defenders and two defensive midfielders, should we be demanding that our wingers are back in there defending too?

He clearly has something. It's undeniably raw and when you compare him to Wharton who, in his limited involvement, looks composed and as though he reads the game very well, Franca looks very green.

However, that's only going to improve with experience. He offered a threat running out with the ball last night and in the second half suddenly started to cause Chelsea problems.

It's also worth noting that we were still level when he was taken off, so he bears no responsibility for either of the late goals.

If you ask me whether I'd rather continue playing Franca and be patient, accepting that he is raw and will have good moments and bad moments, I would much prefer that to reverting back to Schlupp who, for me, contributes next to nothing.

 


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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 13 Feb 24 11.33am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

He has a long way to go... We all want him to do well but at what cost? He's not ready and looked well out of his depth. The commentators commented several times as to how much he was struggling.

Other than the ball he knicked off their full back and the chance he missed, he was non existent for the first 70 mins and kept giving the ball away. He lost his man for their equaliser so was at fault for that. It took him 19 mins to get his first touch.

He's got pace and enthusiasm, but that's not enough at this level. People on here won't like this, but we'd be better off with a steady Schlupp starting on the left as you know what you're going to get from him. If not, you'd get more from Edouard who is stronger on the ball and has better awareness. Given the precarious league position we're now in, Franca is too much of as gamble.

With his pace I can see him as a useful impact sub but not a lot else currently. Once the season is over - and presuming we stay up - we should send him on loan to the Championship for 6 months to gain experience.

As others have said, we're gonna have to be patient. His price tag led us to think we'd signed better player than the one we've currently got. I hope he proves me wrong because we need him right now.

 

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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 13 Feb 24 11.51am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

He has a long way to go... We all want him to do well but at what cost? He's not ready and looked well out of his depth. The commentators commented several times as to how much he was struggling.

Other than the ball he knicked off their full back and the chance he missed, he was non existent for the first 70 mins and kept giving the ball away. He lost his man for their equaliser so was at fault for that. It took him 19 mins to get his first touch.

He's got pace and enthusiasm, but that's not enough at this level. People on here won't like this, but we'd be better off with a steady Schlupp starting on the left as you know what you're going to get from him. If not, you'd get more from Edouard who is stronger on the ball and has better awareness. Given the precarious league position we're now in, Franca is too much of as gamble.

With his pace I can see him as a useful impact sub but not a lot else currently. Once the season is over - and presuming we stay up - we should send him on loan to the Championship for 6 months to gain experience.

As others have said, we're gonna have to be patient. His price tag led us to think we'd signed better player than the one we've currently got. I hope he proves me wrong because we need him right now.


I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Schlupp offers absolutely nothing.

One goal and one assist in 1200+ minutes this season. Three goals and two assists in 2600+ minutes last season. That is simply nowhere near good enough for a team who are struggling to score, especially when we already have Ayew on the other wing.

The last seven games in which Schlupp has played 45 minutes or more, we've won a single point. I'm not pinning the blame just on him for that but he doesn't help.

We also conceded 20 goals in that run so it's not like he's some defensive colossus who helps us keep a tight ship.

We simply cannot have a front three of Schlupp, Ayew and Mateta, all of whom are goal shy. If it's not going to be Franca, it has to be Edoaurd.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 13 Feb 24 12.19pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace


I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Schlupp offers absolutely nothing.

One goal and one assist in 1200+ minutes this season. Three goals and two assists in 2600+ minutes last season. That is simply nowhere near good enough for a team who are struggling to score, especially when we already have Ayew on the other wing.

The last seven games in which Schlupp has played 45 minutes or more, we've won a single point. I'm not pinning the blame just on him for that but he doesn't help.

We also conceded 20 goals in that run so it's not like he's some defensive colossus who helps us keep a tight ship.

We simply cannot have a front three of Schlupp, Ayew and Mateta, all of whom are goal shy. If it's not going to be Franca, it has to be Edoaurd.

Yep. Schlupp used to be a good impact player. I'm not really sure what he is anymore? Eduoard is the only other option on the left, but he runs like his mum has told him he has to come in for dinner and he doesn't want to.

Where we're at is that Franca probably isn't ready, but there are literally no other options who look like they can provide any attacking threat. I mean, did Ayew produce anything going forward last night other than a really tame shot? I think he's an important player but he is not a serious goal threat. Franca needs a run of games. If when Eze is back he hasn't improved then fine, but until then let's back him.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 13 Feb 24 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Yep. Schlupp used to be a good impact player. I'm not really sure what he is anymore? Eduoard is the only other option on the left, but he runs like his mum has told him he has to come in for dinner and he doesn't want to.

Where we're at is that Franca probably isn't ready, but there are literally no other options who look like they can provide any attacking threat. I mean, did Ayew produce anything going forward last night other than a really tame shot? I think he's an important player but he is not a serious goal threat. Franca needs a run of games. If when Eze is back he hasn't improved then fine, but until then let's back him.

Agree re Schlupp.Franca I thought did ok, but he was spent after 60 minutes and if Roy wanted Ahamada on the pitch over Edouard then I would have taken Franca off, put Ahamada on the right and Ayew on the left. That would have helped with the overload on Mitchell. Putting Ahamada on for Hughes was IMO a mistake.

I can’t argue that Franca is ready as he doesn’t look it but can he do a job and improve then probably yes, so like you I would stick with him as a starter but bring him off if things start to go wrong. We have alternatives, (Edouard can play there), just not that great.

 

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View kevlee's Profile kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 13 Feb 24 12.49pm Send a Private Message to kevlee Add kevlee as a friend

Well with the footballing world (those with access to Sky anyway) watching, would any club pay £20m for him on that performance? Even as one for the future?
Don't think so. He needs to be in the U23's.
Franca and Henderson. One of the great mysteries of transfer logic.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Feb 24 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Despite his obvious pace and direct approach, I thought Franca looked naive at this level.

Perhaps all those Roy haters who complained about him being held back will now understand the reasoning.
He needs to play to get better, but we need to stay up first and foremost. That is a balancing act for Hodgson.

 

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