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beak croydon 07 Feb 24 12.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you are blaming Sunak for knife crime. Was he Prime Minister in the 1950s when We decided to import Caribbean knife culture into the country? Did he open the floodgates to Africans in the 1990s? I think not. Maybe you think that he should have introduced a rigorous stop and search policy in London that targeted the groups almost entirely responsible for this kind of crime? Sunak is the current Prime Minister,we cannot disinter Harold McMillan.So the buck stops with him.Knife crime is out of control and The Government must pass harsher penalties for perpetrators as they have in the U.S.A. Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm)
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croydon 07 Feb 24 12.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are blaming Sunak for knife crime.

Was he Prime Minister in the 1950s when We decided to import Caribbean knife culture into the country?

Did he open the floodgates to Africans in the 1990s?

I think not.

Maybe you think that he should have introduced a rigorous stop and search policy in London that targeted the groups almost entirely responsible for this kind of crime?

Sunak is the current Prime Minister,we cannot disinter Harold McMillan.So the buck stops with him.Knife crime is out of control and The Government must pass harsher penalties for perpetrators as they have in the U.S.A.

Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 24 12.31pm
Originally posted by beak Sunak is the current Prime Minister,we cannot disinter Harold McMillan.So the buck stops with him.Knife crime is out of control and The Government must pass harsher penalties for perpetrators as they have in the U.S.A. Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm) You are blaming Sunak for decisions made in the past. Right now, if anyone tried to clamp down on these sorts of crimes in a meaningful way, there would be a deluge of criticism and claims of racism and human right violations by people of your political ilk and those that profit from stirring up race issues.
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Originally posted by beak

Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm)

You are blaming Sunak for decisions made in the past.

Right now, if anyone tried to clamp down on these sorts of crimes in a meaningful way, there would be a deluge of criticism and claims of racism and human right violations by people of your political ilk and those that profit from stirring up race issues.

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cryrst The garden of England 07 Feb 24 12.51pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you are blaming Sunak for knife crime. Was he Prime Minister in the 1950s when We decided to import Caribbean knife culture into the country? Did he open the floodgates to Africans in the 1990s? I think not. Maybe you think that he should have introduced a rigorous stop and search policy in London that targeted the groups almost entirely responsible for this kind of crime? You must remember that even when lives are taken and at risk alongside over half of knife carriers and victims being within 10% of the population as a whole; that quotas on stop and search have to be met for PC reasons. BLM won’t be happy otherwise.
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The garden of England 07 Feb 24 12.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are blaming Sunak for knife crime.

Was he Prime Minister in the 1950s when We decided to import Caribbean knife culture into the country?

Did he open the floodgates to Africans in the 1990s?

I think not.

Maybe you think that he should have introduced a rigorous stop and search policy in London that targeted the groups almost entirely responsible for this kind of crime?

You must remember that even when lives are taken and at risk alongside over half of knife carriers and victims being within 10% of the population as a whole; that quotas on stop and search have to be met for PC reasons. BLM won’t be happy otherwise.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 07 Feb 24 1.49pm
Originally posted by HKOwen [Link] What cost incarcerating these animals? So sad for the victim's family often, when reading these stories, i will google some of the names along with the word 'drug' and see what comes up. Bingo.....1.5 million quids worth of cocaine...connected to one of the Lads described. And the article describes their motive for stabbing Jonas 'cos he was a snitch'. i am sure Jonas was completely innocent. And very unlucky to get murdered ( pre-planned) by a drugs gang. [Link] And that is my official comment, and i am sticking to it. Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Feb 2024 2.01pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by HKOwen

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What cost incarcerating these animals?

So sad for the victim's family

often, when reading these stories, i will google some of the names along with the word 'drug' and see what comes up.

Bingo.....1.5 million quids worth of cocaine...connected to one of the Lads described. And the article describes their motive for stabbing Jonas 'cos he was a snitch'.

i am sure Jonas was completely innocent*. And very unlucky to get murdered ( pre-planned) by a drugs gang.

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*And that is my official comment, and i am sticking to it.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Feb 2024 2.01pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 24 2.02pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio often, when reading these stories, i will google some of the names along with the word 'drug' and see what comes up. Bingo.....1.5 million quids worth of cocaine...connected to one of the Lads described. And the article describes their motive for stabbing Jonas 'cos he was a snitch'. i am sure Jonas was completely innocent. And very unlucky to get murdered ( pre-planned) by a drugs gang. [Link] And these individuals are probably down the food chain from those controlling distribution of said drugs.
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07 Feb 24 2.02pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

often, when reading these stories, i will google some of the names along with the word 'drug' and see what comes up.

Bingo.....1.5 million quids worth of cocaine...connected to one of the Lads described. And the article describes their motive for stabbing Jonas 'cos he was a snitch'.

i am sure Jonas was completely innocent. And very unlucky to get murdered ( pre-planned) by a drugs gang.

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And these individuals are probably down the food chain from those controlling distribution of said drugs.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 07 Feb 24 2.10pm
Originally posted by beak Sunak is the current Prime Minister,we cannot disinter Harold McMillan.So the buck stops with him.Knife crime is out of control and The Government must pass harsher penalties for perpetrators as they have in the U.S.A. Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm) places with low knife crime probably don't have harsh penalties. Japan, Singapore, Iceland. Low knife crime and spotless public toilets. just saying. My opinion being that sometimes the State could behave like Papa Doc Duvalier , with super-harsh penalties......and still have a ton of knife crime. Meanwhile, Japan will never have the levels of crime seen in Penge & Thornton Heath. [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Feb 2024 2.56pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 07 Feb 24 2.10pm

Originally posted by beak

Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm)

places with low knife crime probably don't have harsh penalties. Japan, Singapore, Iceland. Low knife crime and spotless public toilets.

just saying.

My opinion being that sometimes the State could behave like Papa Doc Duvalier , with super-harsh penalties......and still have a ton of knife crime. Meanwhile, Japan will never have the levels of crime seen in Penge & Thornton Heath.

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Feb 2024 2.56pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 24 2.27pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio places with low knife crime probably don't have harsh penalties. Japan, Singapore, Iceland. Low knife crime and spotless public toilets. just saying. My opinion being that sometimes the State could behave like Papa Doc Duvalier , with super-harsh penalties......and still have a ton of knife crime. Meanwhile, Japan will never have the levels of crime seen in Penge & Thornton Heath. Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Feb 2024 2.17pm) Our open door policy has allowed untold criminal elements into this country. This is not just a 'Black' problem. This is about multiplying the number of organised criminals many times, thus making drug related crime among their 'soldiers' far more frequent. You have turf wars between nationalities and local affiliations who are likely involved in drug dealing along with punishment crimes and the rest. Law and order is a joke thanks to the idiocy of politicians and the home office.
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07 Feb 24 2.27pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

places with low knife crime probably don't have harsh penalties. Japan, Singapore, Iceland. Low knife crime and spotless public toilets.

just saying.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 Feb 2024 2.17pm)

Our open door policy has allowed untold criminal elements into this country. This is not just a 'Black' problem. This is about multiplying the number of organised criminals many times, thus making drug related crime among their 'soldiers' far more frequent.
You have turf wars between nationalities and local affiliations who are likely involved in drug dealing along with punishment crimes and the rest.
Law and order is a joke thanks to the idiocy of politicians and the home office.

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beak croydon 07 Feb 24 3.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are blaming Sunak for decisions made in the past. Right now, if anyone tried to clamp down on these sorts of crimes in a meaningful way, there would be a deluge of criticism and claims of racism and human right violations by people of your political ilk and those that profit from stirring up race issues. Weirdly a big YES! Prime Ministers are meant to fix things! Sunak cannot just stand there are say "Not my fault,that's history,old son!"
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croydon 07 Feb 24 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are blaming Sunak for decisions made in the past.

Weirdly a big YES! Prime Ministers are meant to fix things! Sunak cannot just stand there are say "Not my fault,that's history,old son!"

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 24 4.09pm
Originally posted by beak Weirdly a big YES! Prime Ministers are meant to fix things! Sunak cannot just stand there are say "Not my fault,that's history,old son!" I would agree that things have worsened during 14 years of Tory rule, but Sunak has been in charge since 2022. Meanwhile, we have an appalling opposition who commands no confidence whatsoever. I have never seen a more cringeworthy bunch of reptiles on the Labour benches. Our problems are created by years of poor decisions going back decades.
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07 Feb 24 4.09pm

Originally posted by beak

Weirdly a big YES! Prime Ministers are meant to fix things! Sunak cannot just stand there are say "Not my fault,that's history,old son!"

I would agree that things have worsened during 14 years of Tory rule, but Sunak has been in charge since 2022.
Meanwhile, we have an appalling opposition who commands no confidence whatsoever.
I have never seen a more cringeworthy bunch of reptiles on the Labour benches.

Our problems are created by years of poor decisions going back decades.

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steeleye20 Croydon 07 Feb 24 4.47pm
Originally posted by beak Sunak is the current Prime Minister,we cannot disinter Harold McMillan.So the buck stops with him.Knife crime is out of control and The Government must pass harsher penalties for perpetrators as they have in the U.S.A. Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm) Exactly. 5 years for being in possession, for example. The London Mayor whether tory or labour, can't do much except support the police. The governing party, in this case the tories, have the responsibility for law and order, only they can legislate. Labour has a far better record with 'tough on crime and its causes'. Austerity has so much to answer for.
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Croydon 07 Feb 24 4.47pm

Originally posted by beak

Edited by beak (07 Feb 2024 12.27pm)

Exactly.

5 years for being in possession, for example.

The London Mayor whether tory or labour, can't do much except support the police.

The governing party, in this case the tories, have the responsibility for law and order, only they can legislate.

Labour has a far better record with 'tough on crime and its causes'.

Austerity has so much to answer for.

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cryrst The garden of England 07 Feb 24 4.56pm
Originally posted by beak Weirdly a big YES! Prime Ministers are meant to fix things! Sunak cannot just stand there are say "Not my fault,that's history,old son!" So you agree to search more black kids because they are the prime driver in knife crime. Without prejudice it can be done but sadly because racism is the buzz word and it WILL be more black kids it won’t be done.
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The garden of England 07 Feb 24 4.56pm

Originally posted by beak

Weirdly a big YES! Prime Ministers are meant to fix things! Sunak cannot just stand there are say "Not my fault,that's history,old son!"

So you agree to search more black kids because they are the prime driver in knife crime. Without prejudice it can be done but sadly because racism is the buzz word and it WILL be more black kids it won’t be done.

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Teddy Eagle 07 Feb 24 4.58pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Exactly. 5 years for being in possession, for example. The London Mayor whether tory or labour, can't do much except support the police. The governing party, in this case the tories, have the responsibility for law and order, only they can legislate. Labour has a far better record with 'tough on crime and its causes'. Austerity has so much to answer for. Doesn't the Sentencing Council decide these things?
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