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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 09 Feb 24 8.40am |
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I think we have to accept that, Sadly Michael Olise has played his last game for us, Thanks Roy, when his release clause is activated on July 1st he will leave, but only if he is fit, the worst scenario is he is injured again before he leaves, not going to be match fit for us this season.
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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southnorwoodhill 09 Feb 24 8.51am |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
I think we have to accept that, Sadly Michael Olise has played his last game for us, Thanks Roy, when his release clause is activated on July 1st he will leave, but only if he is fit, the worst scenario is he is injured again before he leaves, not going to be match fit for us this season.
It would all depend on his valuation and proof of lasting fitness.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 09 Feb 24 8.57am |
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IMO if he doesn't get back on the pitch for us this season, I cant see that £50m clause getting triggered.
When fit and firing, we've got a £50-80m player on our hands.
But the fact that a usually ever present player has seemingly had a a recurrent hamstring injury would be a concern.
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eaglesdare 09 Feb 24 9.04am |
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cant see anyone spendng 50+ on an injury prone player. I reckon we get one more season out of him.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 09 Feb 24 9.16am |
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He hasn't played his last game for us, prognosis is a couple of months isn't it? Don't play our last game until May 19th.
Plus we know Roy will rush him back as early as possible. I reckon he's back for Bournemouth on the 2nd of April.
Don't reckon this puts other clubs off though, would have thought clubs with a sensible manager and functioning medical department would fancy their chance of not breaking him.
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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palaceexile hastings 09 Feb 24 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
I think we have to accept that, Sadly Michael Olise has played his last game for us, Thanks Roy, when his release clause is activated on July 1st he will leave, but only if he is fit, the worst scenario is he is injured again before he leaves, not going to be match fit for us this season.
Seems very unfair to me for people to keep blaming Roy for bringing Olise on against Brighton. The player was deemed fit by the medical staff, otherwise he wouldn't have been on the bench. As far as the manager was concerned, therefore, he was OK to play (and I suspect that if he hadn't brought him on, critics would have complained about his timid tactics)
Edited by palaceexile (09 Feb 2024 9.41am)
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PatrickA London 09 Feb 24 9.48am |
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Whilst what you say may seem fair, it still begs the question why bring him on when 3-0 down? I'm not saying this in hindsight. I was at the game and the people I was with were all scratching our heads when Olise was brought on. The game was gone.
Originally posted by palaceexile
Seems very unfair to me for people to keep blaming Roy for bringing Olise on against Brighton. The player was deemed fit by the medical staff, otherwise he wouldn't have been on the bench. As far as the manager was concerned, therefore, he was OK to play (and I suspect that if he hadn't brought him on, critics would have complained about his timid tactics)
Edited by palaceexile (09 Feb 2024 9.41am)
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Skip 09 Feb 24 9.58am |
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This recent injury setback lands squarely at the feet of Hodgson. He claims he doesn't benefit from hindsight, when a bit of common sense would have been all that was required. Why risk your best player when you're 3-0 at halftime ? I doubt he was properly warmed up and he ends up sprinting for a loose ball that what was a lost cause and pulls up. If anything he should have been told to get showered at halftime and to forget about the 2nd half. I haven't read or heard one single Palace fan who thinks it was worth the risk.
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eaglesdare 09 Feb 24 10.10am |
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Roy also did say that he could have gotten injured in trainning the the next day. which is true.
Sure eze did his achilles in training. It can happen anywhere. I have rolled my ankle simply crossing the road.
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fish mitten Chelmsford 09 Feb 24 10.11am |
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It seems some people just want to blame Hodgson for everything. Wrong for bringing him on, but would have been wrong if he didn't. Especially once we had got it back to 1-3. The major problem is not Olise's injury, it's the lack of suitable options from the bench and the fact we are reliant upon the mercurial talents of two injury prone players. For that blame SP and the board. They are totally responsible for the entire mess of this season. Roy is the scapegoat, hung out to dry as he is the only one that we can blame and sacking him is the only thing that can be done to change it. I suspect we will do that (eventually) and watch ourselves tumble out the league as a new manager will be bound by the same ineffective attacking options. As for Olise. Will be a big question mark over his fitness, he will have missed 3/4 of the season. Man Utd or Chelsea may just be desperate enough to spend vast amounts of money on him to appease the fans. And I feel very sorry if he goes to either of those basket case clubs. Still I don't suppose he'll fancy plying his trade in the championship either or even hang around if we do stay up and the board show the complete lack of ambition again. I think SP and the board have completely thrown away all the good work that has been done over the last 10 seasons. Supporters, potential managers and the media have rumbled our lack of ambition and I suspect we are in the situation where next season we will need to rip up and start again, whatever division we are in.
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doi209 Fighting for the weak and innocent... 09 Feb 24 10.32am |
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Originally posted by Skip
This recent injury setback lands squarely at the feet of Hodgson. He claims he doesn't benefit from hindsight, when a bit of common sense would have been all that was required. Why risk your best player when you're 3-0 at halftime ? I doubt he was properly warmed up and he ends up sprinting for a loose ball that what was a lost cause and pulls up. If anything he should have been told to get showered at halftime and to forget about the 2nd half. I haven't read or heard one single Palace fan who thinks it was worth the risk.
Being pedantic, we all benefit from hindsight. It's foresight we don't have.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 09 Feb 24 11.19am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
IMO if he doesn't get back on the pitch for us this season, I cant see that £50m clause getting triggered.
When fit and firing, we've got a £50-80m player on our hands.
But the fact that a usually ever present player has seemingly had a a recurrent hamstring injury would be a concern.
His Release clause was quoted at 60m, and if he is fit on July 1st i can see 4 or 5 clubs willing to pay that.
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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MrRobbo Chaldon 09 Feb 24 11.59am |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Whilst what you say may seem fair, it still begs the question why bring him on when 3-0 down? I'm not saying this in hindsight. I was at the game and the people I was with were all scratching our heads when Olise was brought on. The game was gone.
Exactly. Less about if he was deemed fit, more about to lunacy to bring on our most important half injured player when 3-0 down. Shut up shop, take hte loss and move on.
Indefensibly stupid decision.
Losing our best player for Burnley, Luton, and Everton. Games that could have secured our season.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 10 Feb 24 6.19am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Exactly. Less about if he was deemed fit, more about to lunacy to bring on our most important half injured player when 3-0 down. Shut up shop, take hte loss and move on.
Indefensibly stupid decision.
Losing our best player for Burnley, Luton, and Everton. Games that could have secured our season.
Have the games already been played?
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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dreamwaverider London 10 Feb 24 7.26am |
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Click on 2023/24 tab above, fixtures and results and you will be able to answer your own question.
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dreamwaverider London 10 Feb 24 8.18am |
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Olise has had surgery on his torn hamstring which was evidently severe following his collision with the keeper playing for France U21s last summer. Rehabilitation of HS surgery is complex and slow, especially for an elite athlete. Olise is clearly not out of the woods yet with this injury as he is getting regular recurrence symptoms. He pulled up late in the Sheffield United game and then again v Brentford. He then walked off the pitch v Brighton having pulled up after 10 minutes. In all three instances he was holding his left leg hamstring. The detail of his issues is unclear. Roy said after Sheffield Utd that the injury was lower down from the surgery. There are four hamstring muscles in the back of the leg and it would be odd for the fine detail of his issues to be shared publicly. But it is clear he has an ongoing problem in the region. Problematic hamstrings are tricky things and it is very hard to know how to optimise dealing with them through a recuperation of rest and exercise. Unfortunately recurring injury is not uncommon. However, he will be receiving top quality attention and Im sure it is being closely monitored. At his age if it is rested and treated correctly he should fully recover. It is also highly likely based on his recent performances that he must be a well sought after player. I dont know how potential buyers will view this now. They may want to see him having an extended run for us or they may take the risk and rely on their own teams to make/keep him fully fit moving forwards and snaffle him up at a fee to be agreed. Either way, it is important that Olise makes a full recovery. He is shaping into a top top talent and the world of football needs players of his exceptional ability to perform at the highest levels.
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The Yorkshire Eagle Great Ouseburn, N Yorkshire 10 Feb 24 8.21am |
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There is a mix of ineptitude and poor management by all concerned here, IMO. IF, as had been stated by ‘the medical team’ that Olise’ was fit enough to play, then why not start him, especially against Brighton who were coming into the game off a heavy defeat? We all agree bringing him on when the game was lost made no sense, as was keeping him on until 85 mins or so against the Blades when 3-1 up. Both decision make whoever had final say culpable. I question the medical teams competence as he was clearly not fully ready, and Roy et al who ‘did a Boris’ and were ‘guided by the medical science’’, but screwed up by bringing him on when 0-3 down. Likely as not it wouldn’t have made a difference had he been started, but at least we wouldn’t now be questioning Roy and co for their decision.
Edited by The Yorkshire Eagle (10 Feb 2024 8.23am)
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BelfastEagle 10 Feb 24 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
I think we have to accept that, Sadly Michael Olise has played his last game for us, Thanks Roy, when his release clause is activated on July 1st he will leave, but only if he is fit, the worst scenario is he is injured again before he leaves, not going to be match fit for us this season.
I’m not sure about heaping all this blame on Roy. Would I have brought him on…no
The question is why was he assessed as fit to play ? Whoever on the physio side is making these decisions needs to be removed immediately they are dangerously incompetent.
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dreamwaverider London 10 Feb 24 9.57am |
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I saw a clip of him walking up the tunnel at Brighton where he wasn't limping, so fingers crossed in the next two months with the right support Olise should be able to make a good recovery assuming he and his practitioners work very closely and communicate well. They should be led by his body, not the clock.
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DenTyler Sidcup 10 Feb 24 1.20pm |
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My 10p worth.
What has happened is done. Now pointless to keep going over the decision to bring him on. I myself would have given him Brighton AND the Chelsea game off. I would not have had him on the bench and thought of the best chance of the bigger picture.
Anyway, as to if we see him again, I think we will. He seems pretty level headed and if he wanted out he could have gone last summer but to everyone’s surprise he signed on with a new 4 year deal.
If we stay up I think he will be here next year as will Eze.
I think the chances are we are more likely to lose 1 or both of our centre backs first. MG because he is of the quality looked at by the big boys and Anderson because he just looks fed up and wants out.
If we go down obviously that changes everything.
I also get some comfort that we will get a much truer fee should we sell Olise or Eze now with there new contracts than we would have gotten previously which you would hope be used on the squad not on the new stadium or bonuses
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