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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 31 Mar 24 4.22pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

I'm a little concerned that Glasner is going a bit Hodgsonesque with his selection and subs. Ayew had another poor game and I hope he gives Ahamada the start against Bournemouth, before Olise returns. The lad has 24 sub appearances in the league but never made the starting line-up and I would have thought the inside-right position would suit him well
The substitutions were also uninspiring, although Hughes and Schlupp didn't have their worst games. We already know their limitations. As usual, Mateta was knackered by the 90th minute and some fresh legs even from an untried player would have helped.

With the odds on us getting relegated at 25/1 and up it would be useful to see if the likes of Imray and Ozoh could have a significant role next season or whether a loan out might be a better option

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 31 Mar 24 4.48pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

On HOL before the game I mentioned Wood as a possible threat.
He took his goal well, vision and execution, but in the final analysis a striker was allowed a free header in that position, hence questions have been raised about the overall defending.

Glasner has praised Henderson for his positivity in dealing with crosses and corners and such praise from a manager boosts confidence.

I predicted a defeat, accordingly I am content with a draw.

Woods clattered into Henderson a few minutes earlier, flattening him. So when this cross came in, he saw Woods and hesitated for a second, allowing Woods to get his head to it unchallenged. Apart from bottling the challenge he had a reasonable game.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 31 Mar 24 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Utterly pointless response.

Glasner will be looking to offload deadwood and replace with players like Munoz. Was he mega expensive and outside and beyond our reach? No, of course he wasnít. He will look to become stronger in depth and bring in players that are better than the bottom half of our squad.

Just saying money is a ridiculous glib comment, itís about finding value for money and selling players at top value to replace with 2 or 3 squad players that are stronger than those we currently have.

But its not simple as you claim, every club is trying to do the same. Off loading deadwood, isnt simple either, you require a buyer prepared to pay the same wages and if they are deadwood, who is going to do that?

 

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View Gribbo's Profile Gribbo Flag Bromley 31 Mar 24 5.20pm Send a Private Message to Gribbo Add Gribbo as a friend

Playing much better, higher tempo, moving the ball quicker, pressing out of possession, decent set pieces. Glasner like a breath of fresh air after Hodgson.

Get rid of the deadwood in the summer - Reidewald, Clyne, Tomkins, Schlupp, Edouard and free up wages for some first team additions.

Henderson was good yesterday - commanded his box well, dealt with corners and crosses, punching them out wide on more than more occasion. Though at the time he was caught out for the goal, but watching in on MOTD last night, not really his fault. Mitchell played Wood onside - just needed to step up and leave Wood caught on his own.

Munoz and Wharton top buys - more please.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 31 Mar 24 7.05pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Gribbo

Playing much better, higher tempo, moving the ball quicker, pressing out of possession, decent set pieces. Glasner like a breath of fresh air after Hodgson.

Get rid of the deadwood in the summer - Reidewald, Clyne, Tomkins, Schlupp, Edouard and free up wages for some first team additions.

Henderson was good yesterday - commanded his box well, dealt with corners and crosses, punching them out wide on more than more occasion. Though at the time he was caught out for the goal, but watching in on MOTD last night, not really his fault. Mitchell played Wood onside - just needed to step up and leave Wood caught on his own.

Munoz and Wharton top buys - more please.

Schlupp and Clyne are not deadwood. The fact that Glasner played them supports that.

Edouard unfit. Hard to judge.

Riedewald and Tomkins, however, are both fit but don't even make the bench. They will be gone by September with our best wishes.

 

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag 31 Mar 24 7.48pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

I'm a little concerned that Glasner is going a bit Hodgsonesque with his selection and subs. Ayew had another poor game and I hope he gives Ahamada the start against Bournemouth, before Olise returns. The lad has 24 sub appearances in the league but never made the starting line-up and I would have thought the inside-right position would suit him well
The substitutions were also uninspiring, although Hughes and Schlupp didn't have their worst games. We already know their limitations. As usual, Mateta was knackered by the 90th minute and some fresh legs even from an untried player would have helped.

With the odds on us getting relegated at 25/1 and up it would be useful to see if the likes of Imray and Ozoh could have a significant role next season or whether a loan out might be a better option

What exactly are you expecting 4 games in? Itís going to take time to implement a style.

The bookies odds are irrelevant - and Iíd argue by avoiding defeat against Luton and Forest he did exactly what was needed at this stage. They were more important games for Luton and Forest to win.

Acid test will be a full pre-season and we seem to have a progressive manager. Combined with Freedman (both Munoz and Wharton look great signings) - weíve every right to feel positive.

Glasner certainly isnít Hodgson.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 01 Apr 24 9.59am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

It won't live long in the memory but it was a game that we needed to avoid losing, hence why I imagine there were no risks taken with young players or any particularly adventurous attacking play. Despite that, we created the better chances despite Forest applying the pressure and probably should have won on that basis.

The most noticeable differences were the more imaginative set-pieces and the attempts by Lerma, Wharton and Eze to try and slot through-balls behind the Forest defence. Since Glasner has come in the team always seems to be looking at how quickly they can create a chance on goal. We're not seeing long periods of the players passing it sideways and backwards.

Munoz and Wharton will understandably get the plaudits, but one player I did think looked much better was Mitchell. He had been struggling under the new system but I thought he looked more confident in his role on Saturday. Maybe the rest has done him some good? Lerma also continues to improve. Ayew possibly had jetlag. Poor old Ward had his cement shoes on.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Apr 24 10.32am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Here's one national newspaper journalist's view of Wharton and our DF.

"Wharton the latest Palace gem
Crystal Palaceís admired recruitment department have unearthed another gem in Adam Wharton, the 19-year-old bought for £18.5m from Blackburn in January. If Eberechi Eze was the outstanding player at the City Ground, his runs dovetailed with Wharton, whose vision and weight of left-foot passes were on point on a number of occasions. To follow Eze and Michael Olise, Wharton is the latest Palace diamond mined from the EFL, where talent abounds if you look in the right places. Daniel MuŮoz, the Colombian defender also signed in January, also put in a fine performance at Forest. Little wonder Dougie Freedman, the former Palace striker and manager turned Eagles sporting director, is one of the most respected members of footballís ever-growing class of front-office execs. That Palace are renowned as a talent factory is tribute to the department Freedman heads up. Wharton, capped by England Under-21ís last week, represents the latest proof. (John Brewin The Guardian from that paper's Premier League 10 talking points from the weekend's games)

You can read the other 9 talking points here
[Link]

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 01 Apr 24 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

I'm a little concerned that Glasner is going a bit Hodgsonesque with his selection and subs. Ayew had another poor game and I hope he gives Ahamada the start against Bournemouth, before Olise returns. The lad has 24 sub appearances in the league but never made the starting line-up and I would have thought the inside-right position would suit him well
The substitutions were also uninspiring, although Hughes and Schlupp didn't have their worst games. We already know their limitations. As usual, Mateta was knackered by the 90th minute and some fresh legs even from an untried player would have helped.

With the odds on us getting relegated at 25/1 and up it would be useful to see if the likes of Imray and Ozoh could have a significant role next season or whether a loan out might be a better option

Sadly it's not that simplistic, bookmakers odds are unreliable and might or might not be correct. The only statistics that matter is when the team in 18th place cannot catch your points total with the remaining games left to play. As we have not reached that stage yet then he has to be cautious with team selection and cannot gamble on unproven younger players who have no experience at this level. I sincerely believe his tactics and selections are pretty good considering the injuries we have. We are mathematically not safe yet, so no gung-ho tactics just yet please!

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 01 Apr 24 2.36pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Respect the point. I think we are safe for another season, but I would venture that the average 12th place finish may well elude us this time round, so it remains to be seen if the board have any ambition to seriously back Glasner for next season's campaign.

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 01 Apr 24 3.37pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by robdave2k

What exactly are you expecting 4 games in? Itís going to take time to implement a style.

The bookies odds are irrelevant - and Iíd argue by avoiding defeat against Luton and Forest he did exactly what was needed at this stage. They were more important games for Luton and Forest to win.

Acid test will be a full pre-season and we seem to have a progressive manager. Combined with Freedman (both Munoz and Wharton look great signings) - weíve every right to feel positive.

Glasner certainly isnít Hodgson.

I didn't mention style it was player selection/substitutions that was the content of my post

How are bookies odds irrelevant! They exactly reflect what people think are the chances of us going down are and the best odds you can get are 25-1

I was not complaining about the results just the same old plodding out of Schlupp and Hughes. He will need to find out the qualities of some of the younger players in a agame situation and it's better for them to be against Luton or Forest than the tougher games ahead. Mateta was gassed after 80 minutes and was barely challenging their defenders. A faster, fresher player would have harried their defenders more and been more help on a fast break.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 01 Apr 24 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

I didn't mention style it was player selection/substitutions that was the content of my post

How are bookies odds irrelevant! They exactly reflect what people think are the chances of us going down are and the best odds you can get are 25-1

I was not complaining about the results just the same old plodding out of Schlupp and Hughes. He will need to find out the qualities of some of the younger players in a agame situation and it's better for them to be against Luton or Forest than the tougher games ahead. Mateta was gassed after 80 minutes and was barely challenging their defenders. A faster, fresher player would have harried their defenders more and been more help on a fast break.

Would you put circa £150mil on a horse at 25-1?, that is what is at risk if we take any advice from bookies. We still have to get the required number of points to stay up which has to be more than the team at 18th can achieve from the remaining games. Until we are mathematical safe, he is of course, quite rightly going to be cautious, his job is worth nothing if we are relegated because he has looked at the bookies odds and then decides, oh, we are safe now, because the bookies say so. As for the past games against NF, Luton and then Bournemouth tomorrow, these are really the games that we could not afford to lose under any circumstances and therefore he has to select the best he has got available to achieve this objective. This now is not the right time to try out players with no experience, not losing under any circumstances is his most important consideration!

 

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