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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jul 24 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

While it's certainly true that the rhetoric in this election have reached quite absurd levels.....I mean the idea that Trump is Hitler, floated by Biden himself is quite dangerously absurd.

However, what isn't absurd is the sheer number of Democrat supporters willing to believe this nonsense.

However, I'll make two observations here.

One is that ideas and criticisms must be protected in the public discourse and I think the first amendment definitely protects that. However, like everything else it can be abused and both media take this law to its extreme egged on...in many cases by each other.

The only thing that could dial this back is the kind of reserve and standards that were taken for granted within more socially conservative societies....but I'm not sure that these standards can be achieved again given the polarisation that a social media age creates.

Observation two is that Biden is...quite rightly....getting criticism for what he's said about Trump, however if Biden had been the person shot at and had his ear damaged then the media would be playing Trump's comments and saying all the same things to him.....admittedly in a far far more aggressive and accusatory tone than with Biden.

They both do it, but they are a symptom of the schism within America rather than its cause. The dramatic shift the Democrats took to the left twenty years ago resulted in reactionary shifts from the right.

For example, Trump would have never have came to power without Obama.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2024 1.13pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 24 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

JD Vance literally referred to the possibility that there was a danger that Trump could become 'Americas Hitler' not that long ago. He may even have coined the phrase.

How does that fit in with your partisan ideology?

Wisbech's lap dog is very keen today.

It's clear that Vance has a colourful and hyperbolic style.

Nothing to see here.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jul 24 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

MSM already reported that his phone has been accessed by the FBI. That was two days ago

Also, why would you expect evidence to be revealed to the public so soon after the fact? Even if it was it would be sketchy at best. These things take weeks to investigate properly and form conclusions.


It wasn't what I'd heard but sure If that's the case it's fair comment.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Jul 24 1.14pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

A good point.

There are always media stories about the increased use of tasers by the police, but so far I have not seen a discussion that included DEI.

Is it possible that the increased use is because some officers are not physically capable of handling a situation the old fashion way?

I guess politicians are too scared to suggest that a small person may not be the best choice to tackle a big thug in a fight and so is forced to use a Taser where a large man would subdue the aggressor with their physicality.

If that is the case I don't have a problem with say women police officers using Tasers but let's be honest about it. The left want DEI but then condemn police for the over use of Tasers.

This is a bit simplistic.

You're effectively suggesting that the ideal bobby should be 6ft 3, fit, and sub-30 – and diversity and inclusion is the reason that they're not all like that, in the UK at least.

I mean, where to start

The police are already struggling to recruit as it is. Now you want to restrict hiring to a certain size and shape? Diversity hires aren't the issue, lack of hires are the issue. They have to take what they get as intake – small, tall, fat, fit or thin.

I know for a fact that if the standards were the same as they were 20 years ago to get in the force would be in serious trouble. They just don't have the luxury of cherrypicking anymore.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Jul 24 1.17pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Wisbech's lap dog is very keen today.

It's clear that Vance has a colourful and hyperbolic style.

Nothing to see here.

LOLE

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So Vance has a colourful and hyperbolic style because he's a Republican, and Democrats (actually all politicians) don't?

Seems very convenient to me. As usual.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Jul 24 1.20pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

While it's certainly true that the rhetoric in this election have reached quite absurd levels.....I mean the idea that Trump is Hitler, floated by Biden himself is quite dangerously absurd.

However, what isn't absurd is the sheer number of Democrat supporters willing to believe this nonsense.

However, I'll make two observations here.

One is that ideas and criticisms must be protected in the public discourse and I think the first amendment definitely protects that. However, like everything else it can be abused and both media take this law to its extreme egged on...in many cases by each other.

The only thing that could dial this back is the kind of reserve and standards that were taken for granted within more socially conservative societies....but I'm not sure that these standards can be achieved again given the polarisation that a social media age creates.

Observation two is that Biden is...quite rightly....getting criticism for what he's said about Trump, however if Biden had been the person shot at and had his ear damaged then the media would be playing Trump's comments and saying all the same things to him.....admittedly in a far far more aggressive and accusatory tone than with Biden.

They both do it, but they are a symptom of the schism within America rather than its cause. The dramatic shift the Democrats took to the left twenty years ago resulted in reactionary shifts from the right.

For example, Trump would have never have came to power without Obama.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2024 1.13pm)

Republicans have also joined in with the Hitler associations previous...

Other than that broadly agree with this.

A return to the hyper-polarisation of American politics of old. Perhaps somewhat inevitable, just like Assassinations (attempted or otherwise) of American politicos.

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 17 Jul 24 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Er... I think you should take a look at the Trump Republicans social and campaign content. Both sides are as bad as each other.

Cite examples please

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Jul 24 1.39pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Cite examples please

If you pay me for my time I'd be happy to do so

Plenty of examples one click away, that is if you want to find them. Wouldn't fit in with your narrative though would it...

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jul 24 1.42pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Republicans have also joined in with the Hitler associations previous...

Other than that broadly agree with this.

A return to the hyper-polarisation of American politics of old. Perhaps somewhat inevitable, just like Assassinations (attempted or otherwise) of American politicos.

I think you're citing the never Trumpers who are and were just as over the top as the Democrats....obviously there are few examples of them.

However, I think the VP pick did make mention of this at the candidate stage in 2015/16 ago but changed his tune years ago now.

I don't think it's correct to say that the past was anywhere near this polarized. I'm 55 soon and I've literally lived and remember US politics from the early 80s onwards. It wasn't friendly sure but it just wasn't this aggressive or hyperbolic.

Assassinations of the past were more common because the lessons, protections and technology to evade them weren't available like today.

The fruitcakes will always be out there whether these politicians abused each other or shook hands and gave each other cakes.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2024 1.46pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think you're citing the never Trumpers who are and were just as over the top as the Democrats....obviously there are few examples of them.

However, I think the VP pick did make mention of this at the candidate stage in 2015/16 ago but changed his tune years ago now.

I don't think it's correct to say that the past was anywhere near this polarized. I'm 55 soon and I've literally lived and remember US politics from the early 80s onwards. It wasn't friendly sure but it just wasn't this aggressive or hyperbolic.

Assassinations of the past were more common because the lessons, protections and technology to evade them weren't available like today.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2024 1.43pm)

Also fair to point out that Bidens comment about Trump 'using Hitlers language' was in response to Trump reposting a video on Truth Social promoting him and talking about a 'unified reich'.

Unless I'm mistaken Biden hasn't come out with, or posted social content to the same precision as JD Vance's 'America's Hitler' statement. Other doozies include 'idiot', 'reprehensible'. Get a chance to be VP and run for president? To your 'Never Trumper' point, he was very much part of that clique. 180. What a surprise.

That said, considering the depths both sides have gone to over the years it wouldn't surprise me if the Dems came out with something similar.

Deeper it goes the more normalised it becomes and the less effective what previously would be regarded as outrageous doesn't cut it any more.

Race to the bottom.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (17 Jul 2024 1.57pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jul 24 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Also fair to point out that Bidens comment about Trump 'using Hitlers language' was in response to Trump reposting a video on Truth Social promoting him and talking about a 'unified reich'.

Unless I'm mistaken Biden hasn't come out with, or posted social content to the same precision as JD Vance's 'America's Hitler' statement.

But that said, considering the depths both sides have gone to over the years it wouldn't surprise me.

Deeper it goes the more normalised it becomes and the less effective what previously would be regarded as outrageous doesn't cut it any more.

Race to the bottom.

Indeed.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

LOLE

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So Vance has a colourful and hyperbolic style because he's a Republican, and Democrats (actually all politicians) don't?

Seems very convenient to me. As usual.

Are you comparing Vance to the mass ranks of the mainstream media?

Sure politicians should be careful with language, but as far as I'm aware, Vance has not accused Biden of being a threat to democracy or has wanted to put a bullseye on him.

 

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