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.TUX. Flag 24 Oct 16 9.42pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

This is a good appraisal of the downside of qe TUX and i dont disagree with it. William Hagues points are all relevant. If we solve a debt crisis by borrowing more just doesnt sound right. If central banks keep IR low this can only be negative for savers (mostly old people) and good for younger people who are able to borrow money cheaply.

I only disagree when apportioning blame onto politicians. I know we all like to blame them for everything but they are not responsible for central bank (bofe or Fed) policy so cant impact monetary policy (IR, QE or money supply).
The current policies certainly favours the 'elites' who can borrow money very cheaply at the expense of savers but surely this would benefit Donald more than Hillary given his entreprenerial and business background....although i wouldnt blame donald either.

And the flipside of not having low IR QE or increased money supply could have meant we entered a huge 1930s style depression after the financial crisis.

The above policies weaken currencies and people on here have argued this is a positive for the uk after brexit but again the flipside is that the Uk economy has plunged by 17% in us$ terms. With total uk gdp of 2.8trillion,this has effectively cost the uk economy £476billion....which might be good for international property buyers (i.e elites) buying up our already short supply of housing at a discount but poor uk citizens will shoulder the burden...we can again blame politicians for this loss but all the main political parties (except UKIP and DUP) did not support this collapse.

I believe we already have, though it's not 'hit the streets' just yet.
QE has done nothing more than prolong OUR pain and filled the pockets of the elite. I honestly wish more could see that politicians, regardless of party, rule diddly. Central banks ie The Fed/BoE etc rule the roost and always have, and always will.
Sadly.

 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

I believe we already have, though it's not 'hit the streets' just yet.
QE has done nothing more than prolong OUR pain and filled the pockets of the elite. I honestly wish more could see that politicians, regardless of party, rule diddly. Central banks ie The Fed/BoE etc rule the roost and always have, and always will.
Sadly.

Again i agree with your comments, easy moneary policy just means that real wealth passes from the poorest to the richest in society. Interest rates were reduced further and qe increased after brexit so the damage on the poor and older members of society is set to get worse.
The economic environment being created is IMO setting us up for a socialist revolution, which some may like but we are going to go through considerably more pain before we get there

 

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jeeagles Flag 26 Oct 16 10.20pm

Changing the subject slightly but sticking to Brexit related news.
Bojo and Zack Goldsmith has re-affirmed their opposition to Heathrow's proposed 3rd runway. They are going to campaign against it based on environmental laws. The stringent environmental protection that sets limits on noise, air pollution, habitats etc. was one of the many laws imposed on the UK by the EU and they both want to get rid of.

Adding to that the Tory's are trying to reignite the economy by investing in the biggest infrastructure building campaign since the Victorians. However, the construction industry is at full capacity. There's a shortage of staff at all levels in particular Engineers. So to do it, we are going to need more imigratuon.

Still it could be worse... They could be UKIP.

 

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Edited by Henry of Peckham (27 Oct 2016 11.18pm)

 


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carlonoil Flag Naples 27 Oct 16 8.06am

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Again i agree with your comments, easy moneary policy just means that real wealth passes from the poorest to the richest in society. Interest rates were reduced further and qe increased after brexit so the damage on the poor and older members of society is set to get worse.
The economic environment being created is IMO setting us up for a socialist revolution, which some may like but we are going to go through considerably more pain before we get there

So following the glorious revolution, everything will be great, poverty will be abolished, everyone will be exactly equal, all sections of society will merge as of one and get on together and everyone will live happily for ever after?

 

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View dannyh's Profile dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 27 Oct 16 8.45am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Would losing access to the EU market, higher prices for foodstuffs, higher inflation, higher unemployment, tens of billions lost in tax revenues, having less security, more pollution in our seas and rivers, and one or two other negative things that will almost certainly happen in the years after Brexit, perhaps make you question the wisdom of your choice to Leave?

Sorry kerm old fruit that is the biggest load of sensationalist buffoonery I have ever read on these boards, and I include some of the absolute drivel written in Palace Talk !!

We catorgorically will not lose access to the EU Market as to bar us would mean the EU would almost certainly collapse without our imports from it.

higher prices for food stuffs ? honestly where do you get this drivel have you been reading comrade Gussett's links again ?

Lost tax revenues ? name me one Giant of commerce whose decided to leave the UK because of the EU vote. ? Again more biased nonsense masquerading as fact.

Less Security ( a subject close to my heart as you well know) we will remain as we have for years one of the major players in NATO, Brexit has nowt to do with that, as for our security services suffering because of Brexit ??? Ask yourself this when was the last large scale terror attack on the mainland ? Then compare that time scale to continental Europe. We are light years ahead of our EU cousins in counter intelligence as we have been dealing with it successfully since the 60's.


Brexit affecting Pollution in our seas and rivers ? are you actually smoking bath salts.

Sorry Buddy but your entire post is anti Brexit hogwash

 


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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 27 Oct 16 9.10am Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by carlonoil

So following the glorious revolution, everything will be great, poverty will be abolished, everyone will be exactly equal, all sections of society will merge as of one and get on together and everyone will live happily for ever after?

I didnt say that and would not be supportive of a socialist revolution, just the d8vide between rich and poor is widening, which imo will snap back to socialism once people have had enough....it wont cure the problems though

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Oct 16 9.41am

It doesn't really matter whether the UK voted for Remain or Exit from the EU.

What really matters is how we manage that, and project the future for the UK from that exit. An exit will have some pretty serious implications, but there may very well be some significant benefits.

It all really depends on what you consider 'implications' and 'benefits'.

Stay or leave is relatively meaningless.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Oct 16 9.49am

Originally posted by dannyh

Sorry kerm old fruit that is the biggest load of sensationalist buffoonery I have ever read on these boards, and I include some of the absolute drivel written in Palace Talk !!

We catorgorically will not lose access to the EU Market as to bar us would mean the EU would almost certainly collapse without our imports from it.

higher prices for food stuffs ? honestly where do you get this drivel have you been reading comrade Gussett's links again ?

Lost tax revenues ? name me one Giant of commerce whose decided to leave the UK because of the EU vote. ? Again more biased nonsense masquerading as fact.

Less Security ( a subject close to my heart as you well know) we will remain as we have for years one of the major players in NATO, Brexit has nowt to do with that, as for our security services suffering because of Brexit ??? Ask yourself this when was the last large scale terror attack on the mainland ? Then compare that time scale to continental Europe. We are light years ahead of our EU cousins in counter intelligence as we have been dealing with it successfully since the 60's.


Brexit affecting Pollution in our seas and rivers ? are you actually smoking bath salts.

Sorry Buddy but your entire post is anti Brexit hogwash

Bit of a side note, but its NATO really all that significant in terms of security of the UK anyhow. The UK is a major part of NATO but I've never really seen it as part of UK security but something that's more about European security, to which the UK contributes.

In terms of counter-intelligence and anti-terrorism - The UK is not only well ahead of Europe, its more or less the bench mark. Probably only the Germans come close (domestically very good, internationally less so). The UK is exceptionally good, not so much at 'obtaining intelligence' but at how its distributed throughout the UK security services.

 


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carlonoil Flag Naples 27 Oct 16 10.00am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It doesn't really matter whether the UK voted for Remain or Exit from the EU.

What really matters is how we manage that, and project the future for the UK from that exit. An exit will have some pretty serious implications, but there may very well be some significant benefits.

It all really depends on what you consider 'implications' and 'benefits'.

Stay or leave is relatively meaningless.

It is not meaningless at all. We cannot manage the country in our own interests while being a member of the EU.

 

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carlonoil Flag Naples 27 Oct 16 11.36am

Nissan just announced they will build two new models in Sunderland - I blame Brexit.

 

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Originally posted by carlonoil

Nissan just announced they will build two new models in Sunderland - I blame Brexit.


"Carlos Ghosn, Nissan chief executive, said government "support and assurances" allowed it to decide to make the two new cars in Sunderland"


You MIGHT be right on the other hand the devil is in the detail. Perhaps we are now subsidizing them to do something where we didn't need to before

 

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