Wilf: "I think Frank should've got more time"
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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 22 Sep 17 9.48am |
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Is Zaha a defender, or a wing back who is isn't capable of being one, or a cr@p keeper who can't play football, or a midfielder not really good enough in just a 2, or an excellent def mid not suited to 2 or box to box, or an option isolated striker? No, he's a young, skilful winger. Sure we got his 4 at the back wish, but Frank's reluctance to stick with that and his negligence imposing a formation on a squad never suited to it suggests the skilful winger is wrong.
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| Bangell Oxford 22 Sep 17 9.52am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Fat chance of that happening. Who did the all conquering Leeds United sack as manager after only 44 days? Most people apart from teenagers will know the answer and that was 43 years ago so no chance any of our unwanted records will be quickly forgotten I wonder if Michael Sheen will make a film adaptation about FDB's departure too. FDB could be played by a coma patient strung up like a marionette
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chateauferret  22 Sep 17 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Well that settles it, the biggest footballing genius at the club by a country mile is on my side of the argument. Anyone who believes he should've gone - your argument has now been made redundant or I would seriously question your support Edited by Mstrobez (21 Sep 2017 11.24pm) Complete and utter bollocks. It is one man's opinion and it's no more his shout than it is yours. There's a bit of a difference between a few doubters and widespread disagreement.
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| matthau South Croydon 22 Sep 17 10.43am |
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Originally posted by europalace
Zaha quoted i that article: “I slightly think he should have got a bit more time" Note the words 'slightly' and 'a bit' Maybe you should question your support as you're deliberately mis-quoting one of Palace's best players. Therefore, why don't you change the title of the thread to contain what Zaha actually quoted? Not at all. That for me means one more game... Which alot have wondered why he didn't after the massive Burnley improvement. If anyone's twisting peoples words it's you
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europalace  Europe 22 Sep 17 10.49am |
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Originally posted by matthau
Not at all. That for me means one more game... Which alot have wondered why he didn't after the massive Burnley improvement. If anyone's twisting peoples words it's you Nope, I've just quoted word for word from the article - fact. The OP changed the words to try and open yet another pointless thread. Edited by europalace (22 Sep 2017 10.49am)
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 22 Sep 17 10.50am |
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having reflected on it a bit, the decision to fire him before Southampton wasn't great. Dr Boer had found a way to get them playing up at Burnley and, whatever you think of him, Hodgson was always going to change things for Southampton, potentially making us more disjointed, given the radical direction we'd been taken in. If we had beaten the saints, give de Boer the next three. if we lose to the saints, change it. Hodgson then loses three games we were always going to lose -- no harm done. and parish looks a little less impatient. So I too slightly think de Boer should've been given a bit more time.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Sep 17 10.55am |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
having reflected on it a bit, the decision to fire him before Southampton wasn't great. Dr Boer had found a way to get them playing up at Burnley and, whatever you think of him, Hodgson was always going to change things for Southampton, potentially making us more disjointed, given the radical direction we'd been taken in. If we had beaten the saints, give de Boer the next three. if we lose to the saints, change it. Hodgson then loses three games we were always going to lose -- no harm done. and parish looks a little less impatient. So I too slightly think de Boer should've been given a bit more time. Fair based on football only. I would've monitored it game by game which would've cut his suicidal formations as well. Thing is the decision wasn't made on football/results only.
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Crystal_Clear  Belfast 22 Sep 17 11.08am |
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I wanted FDB to succeed at Palace, and he would have been given more time at Palace, But he caused his own problems. From pre-season he should have see that we did not have players to play a 3-4-3 system. That should have been a gradual change. He picked players that everyone can see are good enough (ie. puncheon & lee) He basically didn't want Ward as he couldn't play as a wing back, but then realised he had non one else. Good player motivation, picking someone you have basically told you don't want. IF Hodgson goes with a Back 4 of TFM, Sakho, Tompkins and PVA (or Schlupp) then that's the best formation we could possibly go with.
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| Midlands Eagle 22 Sep 17 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Crystal_Clear
I wanted FDB to succeed at Palace, and he would have been given more time at Palace, But he caused his own problems. From pre-season he should have see that we did not have players to play a 3-4-3 system. That should have been a gradual change. He picked players that everyone can see are good enough (ie. puncheon & lee) He basically didn't want Ward as he couldn't play as a wing back, but then realised he had non one else. Good player motivation, picking someone you have basically told you don't want. Perhaps he asked for players that did suit the system that he wanted to play but for one reason or another they didn't get signed. You claim that he picked players that everyone could see weren't good enough. Everyone except Hodgson, de Boer, Allardyce and Pardew you mean. Having claimed that he picked players that "everyone could see weren't good enough" you then complain that he tried to sell Ward who is another that "everyone could see wasn't good enough" but then played him when a suitable wing back wasn't signed. Ronald Koeman did exactly the same with Oumar Niasse by trying to sell him to us yet when that fell through he put him in the cup team and Niasse responded by scoring a goal yet there is no mention there of poor player motivation
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Sep 17 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Perhaps he asked for players that did suit the system that he wanted to play but for one reason or another they didn't get signed. You claim that he picked players that everyone could see weren't good enough. Everyone except Hodgson, de Boer, Allardyce and Pardew you mean. Having claimed that he picked players that "everyone could see weren't good enough" you then complain that he tried to sell Ward who is another that "everyone could see wasn't good enough" but then played him when a suitable wing back wasn't signed. Ronald Koeman did exactly the same with Oumar Niasse by trying to sell him to us yet when that fell through he put him in the cup team and Niasse responded by scoring a goal yet there is no mention there of poor player motivation None of these managers tried to play players in a formation they simply can't. Frank could've played passing football with 4 at the back but put as at risk with his project and is negligent for doing so. You say about the failures of transfers but he would never have been able to achieve what he wanted with £40 mil net. Maybe in another country, but not here.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Sep 17 11.42am |
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People will have to be patient with ward being sidelined and hope Roy puts mensah RB when Sakho is in. It's not the picking of players such as Ward, it's what he was expected to do, which was never going to happen.
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 22 Sep 17 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
having reflected on it a bit, the decision to fire him before Southampton wasn't great. Dr Boer had found a way to get them playing up at Burnley and, whatever you think of him, Hodgson was always going to change things for Southampton, potentially making us more disjointed, given the radical direction we'd been taken in. If we had beaten the saints, give de Boer the next three. if we lose to the saints, change it. Hodgson then loses three games we were always going to lose -- no harm done. and parish looks a little less impatient. So I too slightly think de Boer should've been given a bit more time. Roy did as Frank should have done , he started with the same team that everyone thought did well at Burnley (one change that was obvious had to be done) , and let them have a go and watched them. Now he will start to make whatever changes he thinks will improve the team.
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