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cryrst The garden of England 28 Aug 21 3.44pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not the least concerned about whether I lost, and as many of my friends disagree with me as agree, being the age group they are, I don't concern myself about them either. My concern is that the country lost, in so many ways. Claiming it was a "democratic" vote is the consistent mistake of most Brexiteers. It wasn't because referendums are not part of our system. The only thing that gave it legitimacy was when Parliament voted to accept it. Which, in my opinion, they ought never to have done, but is nevertheless their right. As to making it work? Of course I am. That's my duty but so is trying to reverse it, just as soon as the folly because so well recognised that the tide of opinion becomes irresistible. How many times!!! If the EU come up with a plan that is bespoke to the UK which enables us to operate to the benefit of the UK people then why not rejoin. Reversing it for the sake of reversing it comes across like a spiteful want.
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The garden of England 28 Aug 21 3.44pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not the least concerned about whether I lost, and as many of my friends disagree with me as agree, being the age group they are, I don't concern myself about them either.

My concern is that the country lost, in so many ways. Claiming it was a "democratic" vote is the consistent mistake of most Brexiteers. It wasn't because referendums are not part of our system. The only thing that gave it legitimacy was when Parliament voted to accept it. Which, in my opinion, they ought never to have done, but is nevertheless their right.

As to making it work? Of course I am. That's my duty but so is trying to reverse it, just as soon as the folly because so well recognised that the tide of opinion becomes irresistible.

How many times!!!
If the EU come up with a plan that is bespoke to the UK which enables us to operate to the benefit of the UK people then why not rejoin. Reversing it for the sake of reversing it comes across like a spiteful want.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Aug 21 7.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not the least concerned about whether I lost, and as many of my friends disagree with me as agree, being the age group they are, I don't concern myself about them either. My concern is that the country lost, in so many ways. Claiming it was a "democratic" vote is the consistent mistake of most Brexiteers. It wasn't because referendums are not part of our system. The only thing that gave it legitimacy was when Parliament voted to accept it. Which, in my opinion, they ought never to have done, but is nevertheless their right. As to making it work? Of course I am. That's my duty but so is trying to reverse it, just as soon as the folly because so well recognised that the tide of opinion becomes irresistible. Can you believe this guy? Remainer Lefties.... Totally deluded.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not the least concerned about whether I lost, and as many of my friends disagree with me as agree, being the age group they are, I don't concern myself about them either.

As to making it work? Of course I am. That's my duty but so is trying to reverse it, just as soon as the folly because so well recognised that the tide of opinion becomes irresistible.

Can you believe this guy?

Remainer Lefties.... Totally deluded.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 7.56pm
Originally posted by cryrst How many times!!! If the EU come up with a plan that is bespoke to the UK which enables us to operate to the benefit of the UK people then why not rejoin. Reversing it for the sake of reversing it comes across like a spiteful want. At least you and I are more on the same page than many others here who wouldn't rejoin in any circumstances. Our major difference is that I wanted to negotiate change from within, where we had some influence and leverage. Change that must happen or the EU will implode. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 7.56pm

Originally posted by cryrst

At least you and I are more on the same page than many others here who wouldn't rejoin in any circumstances.

Our major difference is that I wanted to negotiate change from within, where we had some influence and leverage. Change that must happen or the EU will implode.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 7.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Can you believe this guy? Remainer Lefties.... Totally deluded. You wouldn't believe anyone, or anything, that wasn't exactly aligned with your world view. A world view that most reject as being distorted beyond reality. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 7.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Can you believe this guy?

Remainer Lefties.... Totally deluded.

You wouldn't believe anyone, or anything, that wasn't exactly aligned with your world view. A world view that most reject as being distorted beyond reality.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Aug 21 9.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You wouldn't believe anyone, or anything, that wasn't exactly aligned with your world view. A world view that most reject as being distorted beyond reality. You mean like all those people who voted for Brexit? I think you will find that my world view is realistic and yours is the stuff of idealistic left wing dreamers.
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28 Aug 21 9.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You wouldn't believe anyone, or anything, that wasn't exactly aligned with your world view. A world view that most reject as being distorted beyond reality.

You mean like all those people who voted for Brexit?

I think you will find that my world view is realistic and yours is the stuff of idealistic left wing dreamers.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Aug 21 9.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle At least you and I are more on the same page than many others here who wouldn't rejoin in any circumstances. Our major difference is that I wanted to negotiate change from within, where we had some influence and leverage. Change that must happen or the EU will implode. Yes, look how well that has gone since we joined. It is laughable when Remoaners fall back on the same old flawed arguments. Despite a massive, expensive government campaign and big support from the opposition, people still didn't buy it.
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28 Aug 21 9.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

At least you and I are more on the same page than many others here who wouldn't rejoin in any circumstances.

Our major difference is that I wanted to negotiate change from within, where we had some influence and leverage. Change that must happen or the EU will implode.

Yes, look how well that has gone since we joined.
It is laughable when Remoaners fall back on the same old flawed arguments.
Despite a massive, expensive government campaign and big support from the opposition, people still didn't buy it.

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cryrst The garden of England 28 Aug 21 9.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle At least you and I are more on the same page than many others here who wouldn't rejoin in any circumstances. Our major difference is that I wanted to negotiate change from within, where we had some influence and leverage. Change that must happen or the EU will implode. I don't recall you actually asking the question about rejoining. You are assuming that what I posted is unique to my views. A bespoke deal would be as good as leaving. Unfortunately the EU didn't want to play ball when we were in so why would the UK continue trying. Ask the question wissie with my scenario.
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The garden of England 28 Aug 21 9.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

At least you and I are more on the same page than many others here who wouldn't rejoin in any circumstances.

Our major difference is that I wanted to negotiate change from within, where we had some influence and leverage. Change that must happen or the EU will implode.

I don't recall you actually asking the question about rejoining. You are assuming that what I posted is unique to my views. A bespoke deal would be as good as leaving. Unfortunately the EU didn't want to play ball when we were in so why would the UK continue trying.
Ask the question wissie with my scenario.

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DanH SW2 29 Aug 21 12.33am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes, look how well that has gone since we joined. It is laughable when Remoaners fall back on the same old flawed arguments. Despite a massive, expensive government campaign and big support from the opposition, people still didn't buy it. Any sensible person realises that there were loads of good reasons to leave the EU, but we’ve made things way worse in the short term and potentially long term. And with Covid it was the worst possible timing.
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SW2 29 Aug 21 12.33am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Any sensible person realises that there were loads of good reasons to leave the EU, but we’ve made things way worse in the short term and potentially long term. And with Covid it was the worst possible timing.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Aug 21 12.50am
Originally posted by DanH Any sensible person realises that there were loads of good reasons to leave the EU, but we’ve made things way worse in the short term and potentially long term. And with Covid it was the worst possible timing. Balderdash, the UK did better on Covid than most of the EU Kayla's at Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by DanH

Balderdash, the UK did better on Covid than most of the EU

Kayla's at Anfield & Old Trafford

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Aug 21 6.13am
Originally posted by DanH Any sensible person realises that there were loads of good reasons to leave the EU, but we’ve made things way worse in the short term and potentially long term. And with Covid it was the worst possible timing. Telling that you say potentially worse long term. That could have been the case if we remained no? I really think some people want it to go south just so they can say 'told you so'. Not very nice especially as it is the charitable 'socially aware' lefties showing this. The right wing racist bigots seem to want it to work for everyone in the UK. who really is the enemy of the people?
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The garden of England 29 Aug 21 6.13am

Originally posted by DanH

Telling that you say potentially worse long term.
That could have been the case if we remained no?
I really think some people want it to go south just so they can say 'told you so'. Not very nice especially as it is the charitable 'socially aware' lefties showing this.
The right wing racist bigots seem to want it to work for everyone in the UK.
who really is the enemy of the people?

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Aug 21 6.19am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Balderdash, the UK did better on Covid than most of the EU Correct and continues to as the news clearly shows this to be the case. NZ and Australia are permanently flapping along with many other countries. At least boris did what he said he would do. The UK is getting stronger every day due to decisions and road maps followed during covid, alongside all the financial help offered to the needy. Sometimes if you look carefully you can see the wood for the trees.
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The garden of England 29 Aug 21 6.19am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Balderdash, the UK did better on Covid than most of the EU

Correct and continues to as the news clearly shows this to be the case.
NZ and Australia are permanently flapping along with many other countries.
At least boris did what he said he would do. The UK is getting stronger every day due to decisions and road maps followed during covid, alongside all the financial help offered to the needy. Sometimes if you look carefully you can see the wood for the trees.

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BlueJay UK 29 Aug 21 6.46am
Originally posted by HKOwen Self righteous bollox as usual, no surprise here At the end of the day though you've made two insulting and inappropriate posts in a row (cheered on by the clapping seals) and are still sitting pretty. If Becky can slip into my inbox due to a joke perhaps she should do the same here? Give us a treat with a bit of even handedness.. And at the same time, for all the annoyance some perceive with Wiz, what we can say is that he doesn't rely on or need a gang or group. He has his stance and he sticks with it. 'Old man' or not, he at least is a man. Edited by BlueJay (29 Aug 2021 7.14am)
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UK 29 Aug 21 6.46am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Self righteous bollox as usual, no surprise here

At the end of the day though you've made two insulting and inappropriate posts in a row (cheered on by the clapping seals) and are still sitting pretty. If Becky can slip into my inbox due to a joke perhaps she should do the same here? Give us a treat with a bit of even handedness..

And at the same time, for all the annoyance some perceive with Wiz, what we can say is that he doesn't rely on or need a gang or group. He has his stance and he sticks with it. 'Old man' or not, he at least is a man.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Aug 2021 7.14am)

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