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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 22 9.04pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

You'd think after all this seemingly endless faffing Tory MPs might have enough common sense to nominate ONE person who would then become PM. Surely, they are not seriously going to consider the buffoon Boris again?

Get the effing job done with the minimum of fuss and start governing the country properly ... or just get out now and call a General Election.

You would hope so, and it strongly looks to me that's what planned, but they are hamstrung by their own rules so need to find a way to arrive at what they want without breaking them.

If Johnson is one of two to go to the membership I suspect he would be chosen whatever the indicative vote by the MPs would be. Some now see him as I have always seen him, a blustering, self serving populist, so there is some hope. However, if he is forced on the MPs I can see the Party splitting. Some have already said they would resign the whip and sit as independents, whilst others would resign their seats and force a by election.

So if it is going to be served up to the membership to make the final choice I expect that choice to be Sunak and Mordaunt, with Johnson either not getting 100 backers or elbowed out after the first round. Maybe there will be agreement between Sunak and Mordaunt that who-ever gets the least votes will stand down, so involving the winds of chance implicit in a membership vote can be avoided.

In short I don't think Johnson is coming back.

We are laughed at now. Bringing him back would create ridicule and likely end the Tories.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 22 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

The whole system is well past it's 'Sell by date' It needs a complete overhaul & I'm talking Westminster not just the Tory party.
Straight off the bat we need fixed terms for MPs (two five year terms max) if they want to return as an MP then fine but they must stay out of office one full parliamentary term.
Secondly slash the number of MPs from the present 650 odd to half that amount.
None of this will happen of course as turkeys tend not to vote for Xmas.
Way to many hopeless, feckless scumbags suckling on the tax payers teat with no real consequences for their actions.

It's unusual for us to agree but we do with your general conclusion that the whole system needs an overhaul, even if I don't with your analysis of what's needed.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Oct 22 9.17pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Nominations have already opened and will close at 2 p.m. on Monday. Candidates must get the backing of a minimum of 100 MPs. If there are three candidates, the one with the least votes will be eliminated. There will then be an indicative vote from Tory MPs, and if there are two candidates left, the party membership will have until 11 a.m. on Friday to vote for the new leader.

I've never heard you even mention the damage to working families your lot have done.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Oct 22 9.31pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I've never heard you even mention the damage to working families your lot have done.

With the greatest of respect, my motivation for partaking in this Thread was to contribute to the debate in respect of the impending contest for the leadership of my party.

At this juncture I haver no desire to be embroiled in discussion about the extensive support for all as part of the Furlough Scheme, the recent announcements of the Energy Cap or the cut in National Insurance.My focus is solely on the leadership contest.

Edited by Willo (20 Oct 2022 9.37pm)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 20 Oct 22 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Does it honestly make any difference who is in charge anymore? We have this situation because a British Prime Minister wanted to just cut income tax. That is it. And was simply not allowed to.

Why do we even have the office?

I appreciate that those of you who support Labour are cheering this on and as somebody who holds no candle for the Conservative Party anymore it is all amusing but the real question we should all be asking ourselves is what do we actually vote for if a British Prime Minister is effectively crippled by people who were never voted for?

That is the real issue and one that has all kinds of long-term implications.

For those of you on the Left then I would really appreciate a genuine response because ultimately if they won't let a Tory Prime Minister fulfil what they were elected on, what chance does a genuine Left-wing candidate stand?

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Oct 22 9.55pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect, my motivation for partaking in this Thread was to contribute to the debate in respect of the impending contest for the leadership of my party.

At this juncture I haver no desire to be embroiled in discussion about the extensive support for all as part of the Furlough Scheme, the recent announcements of the Energy Cap or the cut in National Insurance.My focus is solely on the leadership contest.

Really can you explain to us why the electorate have no role in choosing who governs them?

Edited by Willo (20 Oct 2022 9.37pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Oct 22 10.00pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20
Really can you explain to us why the electorate have no role in choosing who governs them?

At a General Election the electorate have a role as to who governs them.


Edited by Willo (20 Oct 2022 10.01pm)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 22 10.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Does it honestly make any difference who is in charge anymore? We have this situation because a British Prime Minister wanted to just cut income tax. That is it. And was simply not allowed to.

Why do we even have the office?

I appreciate that those of you who support Labour are cheering this on and as somebody who holds no candle for the Conservative Party anymore it is all amusing but the real question we should all be asking ourselves is what do we actually vote for if a British Prime Minister is effectively crippled by people who were never voted for?

That is the real issue and one that has all kinds of long-term implications.

For those of you on the Left then I would really appreciate a genuine response because ultimately if they won't let a Tory Prime Minister fulfil what they were elected on, what chance does a genuine Left-wing candidate stand?

That is so obviously untrue it beggars belief that anyone would seriously conclude that was all that caused this.

You don't vote for a Prime Minister. You vote for an MP, who, together with their colleagues, can lose confidence in the PM. That's what "crippled" Truss. That the reaction in the markets, among many other things, destroyed that confidence doesn't mean they were in anyway responsible. It was Truss herself, and those who chose her, who bear all the responsibility.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 20 Oct 22 10.22pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Can you explain why so many will not accept Brexit that the electorate voted for?

Personally I think the Tories are toast and only have themselves to blame. The MPs who tried to manipulate Sunak into Number10, which obviously backfired big time, need sacking.
Maybe Starmer will start coming out with some policies for us to muse over before the GE he craves

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Oct 22 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is so obviously untrue it beggars belief that anyone would seriously conclude that was all that caused this.

You don't vote for a Prime Minister. You vote for an MP, who, together with their colleagues, can lose confidence in the PM. That's what "crippled" Truss. That the reaction in the markets, among many other things, destroyed that confidence doesn't mean they were in anyway responsible. It was Truss herself, and those who chose her, who bear all the responsibility.

It was MPs who chose to offer her in a two horse race. Then lost confidence in a matter of weeks.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 22 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect, my motivation for partaking in this Thread was to contribute to the debate in respect of the impending contest for the leadership of my party.

At this juncture I haver no desire to be embroiled in discussion about the extensive support for all as part of the Furlough Scheme, the recent announcements of the Energy Cap or the cut in National Insurance.My focus is solely on the leadership contest.

Edited by Willo (20 Oct 2022 9.37pm)

Then you might like to answer my questions.

After all that's happened are you now feeling contrite?

Then you could tell us whether you still think it's appropriate for Tory Party members to be involved in choosing our PM if the need arises between GEs?

As I forecasted all of these consequences before Truss was even confirmed as leader, and argued that this system needed to be abolished, have you got the humility to now admit I was right?

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 22 10.34pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It was MPs who chose to offer her in a two horse race. Then lost confidence in a matter of weeks.

In a system they don't want, doesn't work, and necessitates tactical voting. They wanted Sunak and thought that Truss's obvious weaknesses would mean their preference would be a shoe-in.

Look what the result has been.

Left to their own devices we would now have Sunak in No 10. It would still be really difficult and he would be taking flak but the self inflicted problems would not have made it so bad as it is. We would not now be changing PM again.

 


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