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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 11.34am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you can make a grandiose display of declaring the remain argument the most convincing right at the end perhaps?

Shameless playing to the crowd.

If it helps you to sleep better to think that so be it. Personally I think it's below the belt to make such accusations. You have seriously gone down in my estimation.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

If it helps you to sleep better to think that so be it. Personally I think it's below the belt to make such accusations. You have seriously gone down in my estimation.

Is that even possible?

 

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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 21 Jun 16 12.01pm

I agree with Hrolf The Ganger, if you are trying to be impartial it doesn't come across that way at all. Pretty much the same as the BBC

 


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Hoof Hearted 21 Jun 16 12.05pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If it helps you to sleep better to think that so be it. Personally I think it's below the belt to make such accusations. You have seriously gone down in my estimation.

Gusset.... you voting Remain on Thursday is more of a cert than Shergar was to win the Derby FFS.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 12.12pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

I agree with Hrolf The Ganger, if you are trying to be impartial it doesn't come across that way at all. Pretty much the same as the BBC

You have obviously missed my arguments about agreeing with Bob Crowe's reasons for wanting out of the EU then. Selective reading I feel.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jun 16 12.23pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

You have obviously missed my arguments about agreeing with Bob Crowe's reasons for wanting out of the EU then. Selective reading I feel.

Nope I agree with the other lads and noticed this myself & in fact mentioned this on the EU thread. For someone who claims 'Not to have made their mind up' you post an awful lot of 'Remain' yet never balance it out with 'Leave'. I'm guessing like most of us here that your mind is indeed made up & you'll vote to Remain. Now that's your choice & I have no problem with it, just show some balls and admit it.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 12.25pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Nope I agree with the other lads and noticed this myself & in fact mentioned this on the EU thread. For someone who claims 'Not to have made their mind up' you post an awful lot of 'Remain' yet never balance it out with 'Leave'. I'm guessing like most of us here that your mind is indeed made up & you'll vote to Remain. Now that's your choice & I have no problem with it, just show some balls and admit it.


Genuinely, if I was 100% going for remain I'd say so.

The longer it goes on the more I'm considering abstaining!

 

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Hoof Hearted 21 Jun 16 12.27pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Genuinely, if I was 100% going for remain I'd say so.

The longer it goes on the more I'm considering abstaining!

For you...

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset


Genuinely, if I was 100% going for remain I'd say so.

The longer it goes on the more I'm considering abstaining!

Well if your thinking of abstaining maybe do the same on the threads or post some more balanced & neutral links/reports than all your Brexit bollocks just a suggestion like!!

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 21 Jun 16 1.05pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Nick doesn't half have to put up with some over the top aggressive playground style bullying on here sometimes.

 

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Hoof Hearted 21 Jun 16 1.11pm

Originally posted by DanH

Nick doesn't half have to put up with some over the top aggressive playground style bullying on here sometimes.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 21 Jun 16 1.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Brainwashing techniques have been shown to have the ability to make people kill and then not remember why they did it. I am not saying this is the case here but other assassinations in the past have had the hallmarks of possible brainwashing.
My position would be to rule nothing out.

I'm not entirely convinced that they have been. The technique of brainwashing is typically not very effective and in many cases not clearly documented - also it may well be a case that its served more as a defence than a statement of truth.

Often what gets called brainwashing, is simply social conditioning and incentives, which are a far more effective way of obtaining influence over someone than breaking them down and trying to reconstruct them through trauma.

Problem is, that whilst it can work the duration tends to be brief once they're introduced back into society, and often even with suggestion and hypnosis, its not really possible to get someone to do something they don't want to do.

Then building them back up to be reliable, is even harder. The Chinese used something akin to this in the Korean war, and it wasn't particularly very effective. I think you can really break people psychologically, but then getting them to do things, and not remember, is more the realm of classic fiction, than practical reality. It might be possible, but it would I think be unpractical.

It is in theory possible with hypnosis and suggestion to get someone to shoot someone, against their will, but it involves very controlled conditions and instructions. You can't tell them to take a gun out of the house, and go and shoot someone. You have to effectively remove the notion that they're shooting someone specific from the instructions. Plus they're likely to remember being hypnotised.

More likely, someone like Muir, with a history of mental illness and an interest in the far right, is likely to build his psychosis around social cues, and construct a fantasy / delusion built on far right views - and they're responding to disturbed social triggers and cues.

 


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