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View Michaelawt85's Profile Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 29 Nov 17 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

A few cups of tea and a soak in a hot bath and I am back..

I travelled to Brighton. I was wearing my colours (only person I saw all day / evening in them) we were marched the long way to Brighton station to board the train to Falmer. This was to be expected and to be honest all the chanting, shouting and attention we attracted through town was part of the tie and the away day experience. It was a buzz to be part of that..

Took forever to be put on the train , police filmed us constantly. Again expected. Didn't get off at falmer until kick off. That's when the problems began. Through Brighton we were kept kettled and therefore protected by and large. At the perimeter of the amex it was a free for all. We had to pass several of their entrances to get round to ours (this is one thing which they could do with changing in future) now bear in mind I was wearing colours you had Brighton to the left, us to the right and a line of police packed shoulder to shoulder down the middle like a wall. An officer pushed me with full force on my shoulders over to the Brighton side. They were fighting to get at our lads, all sorts were being thrown from both sides. I was asking then shouting to be let through away fRom them to my own supporters and the police refused and kept pushing me back. I wasn't drunk, I wasn't laity or swearing and they put me into a situation of being hurt. Eventually an officer grabbed me and shoved me back to my fans in front of horses which were being driven through the crowds to disperse them.

Bha fans were running out of their entrances to try and get to our fans. I walked round the bend to our entrance and was met with smoke bombs everywhere and absolute total chaos. So we literally arrived in the middle of it all. I will post a photo of the scene which greeted us at the end.

We were then kettled , they rode their horses into us, they sent dogs into us. We had to use the back of coaches to toilet in the 60 odd minutes we were kept there. They started to make the cordon smaller and smaller and with that began the crush and surges of fans. You had no control over which direction you were pushed in it was like being on a wave being tossed about. Scary. At one point I stopped and tired to stand still so not to be knocked to the ground and a police officer punched me in the back between the shoulder blades and shouted to keep moving.. their attitude stank. They treated us like animals and vermin.

Taken back to falmer and made to stand there for ages as there was no train for us. At Brighton they refused to let people leave the station and we were shouted and sworn at by police to get on the bedford train at the next platform. I approached an officer to ask if it called at London.bridge and I was spoken to like filth and shouted at to get on the train. They were vile.

Edited by Michaelawt85 (29 Nov 2017 1.14pm)

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View fan's Profile fan Flag Caterham 29 Nov 17 1.19pm Send a Private Message to fan Add fan as a friend

I was there last night. Went to Mill road car park [which is not a car park just parking on road.] Got there at 5.45 nearly full. Waited 20 mins for a bus along with all the Brighton fans. Finally got to ground at 6.45. Lots of police and sniffer dogs and horses etc but got in.

At kick off lots of empty seats so thought something was up. Just tell me how to flares get inside stadium with all that security. Being set off initially at back of stand then from the front, kids in black with covered faces responsible [draw you own conclusions!]

After game held for 45 mins by about 120 police who I am told were from Thames valley and had no idea of layout of ground eventually sending fans to coach park instead of park and ride where waited another 25 mins for a bus again along with all Brighton fans,

Amazes me we join Brighton fans going to ground but isolated at end. I saw couple of people ill whilst waiting and some fans with young children who looked pretty frightened.

Overall Worst away experience I have ever had in over 40 years supporting palace I wont go next year [if Brighton survive that is!] ,AND AS FOR POLICE HOPELESS NOT A CLUE, and can anyone tell me if names have ever been put on tickets and season ticket proof required
after all this is not the only Derby game that has ever been held.

Brighton have no idea how to run a matchday and I pity all those other fans due there this season let the wider world know what a shambles the whole thing is at the Amex . Rant over ! Oh yes and the game? average at best!

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 29 Nov 17 1.21pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

From what I've picked up on social media and on here is that hundreds of fans with valid tickets were forced back to the station because ticketless fans got in. The hf already had a couple of hundred tickets so why would they need to bum rush the show? Who was it then?
Added into the mix is the setting off of flares which probably didn't help the fans outside cause if I'm honest.

Was there room inside for 300 more supporters? Hearing mixed reports on that one.

Also heard that some of the hf started having a pop at some palace fans whilst kettled in after the game. That's from a reliable source.

Have I missed anything or got anything wrong?

Sounds like security at the ground was shoddy. A Brighton fan tweeted 'how come my deodorant was confiscated but there were flares in the away end ' She had a point.


Who the hell takes deodorant to a football match?

 

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View Michaelawt85's Profile Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 29 Nov 17 1.25pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian


Who the hell takes deodorant to a football match?

Me. Those replica synthetic shirts make you sweat

 


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View Mr_Flow's Profile Mr_Flow Flag London 29 Nov 17 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Flow Add Mr_Flow as a friend

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Originally posted by spartakev2

Wether Brighton f****d up or not, they f*****d up because so called palace 'supporters' turned up at the ground to cause trouble - no other reason they'd have turned up without tickets otherwise. Stewards didn't end up in hospital because Brighton f****d up, but because of the snall group of moronic idiots who follow our club.

But surely the Police/Stewards/club would have expected, and known/identified fans without tickets in the Brighton area prior to match? This could have been avoided with a simple checkpoint 25/50m prior to the turnstile, where you had to show your ticket to gain access.

I'm not condoning the actions of the minority, and they should be held bang to rights. However, the planning, stewarding and policing was completely substandard and "real" fans missed out as a result.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 29 Nov 17 1.31pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

If no one misbehaved there wouldn't be a problem.
As with everything in life the minority ruin things for the majority - t***S!

True. All sorts of finger pointing and accusing and blaming opposition fans, police, stewards etc. but in the end if everyone behaved there wouldn't be a problem.

I feel desperately sorry for any innocent fans with tickets who didn't get in and were mistreated by police. But, if it is true ( and this may not be the case) that lots of Palace turned up without tickets and tried to get in , then look no further for someone to blame. Sheer stupidity.

I am glad I got a ticket in the home section - I was out of the ground in 5 minutes at the end.

The fact that neither Brighton nor Palace found the net at least solved my problem of how to react should either side have scored.

 

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View Homousbrigade's Profile Homousbrigade Flag 29 Nov 17 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Homousbrigade Add Homousbrigade as a friend

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I was a neutral (I'm a Maidstone fan) sitting in the Brighton end near the Palace fans. I thought it might be worth giving my perspective.

I was a bit late and got in about 2 minutes after the game started. Outside the ground it seemed to me that there was a lot of posturing going on by a group of 200 or so Palace fans coming off the train, and the riot police who seemed quite gee'd up for it (I'm sure they were on plenty of overtime).

I've been to games with far nastier atmospheres than that, though - it seemed to me that this minority were having as much fun baiting the police as the police did in dressing up in their shiny uniforms waving their sticks about. I can't say for sure, but my suspicion is that things got properly violent after people stopped being let in and tempers started to flare.

There were definitely Palace fans being let in when I got there, so it must have been after that they shut the gates completely, rather than before the kickoff as one poster suggested.

I'm sorry to hear about how long you got kept behind after the match - it is a bloody nightmare getting people away from the ground after the game as the trains are crap and the buses get snarled up in traffic, so I think this was as a result of the poor transport links rather than any malice on the club's part. 45 minutes after the match there are still a huge number of people close to the ground trying to get into the station or out of car parks, so I think there was a genuine safety issue there.

If only the match had had this many talking points...

 

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View VKR1888's Profile VKR1888 Flag London 29 Nov 17 2.02pm Send a Private Message to VKR1888 Add VKR1888 as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

True. All sorts of finger pointing and accusing and blaming opposition fans, police, stewards etc. but in the end if everyone behaved there wouldn't be a problem.

Nonsense, the behavior of the police and how BHA approach the situation can add to the situation. Under those circumstances things might boil over slightly. Which it sounds like it did which then was exacerbated by the stewards/police and the decisions they took.

If someone punches you in the back, do you keep walking along whistling.

If you are thrown into an area, on your own, with opposition fans, do you just smile contently.

If you are pushed or manhandled do you say pleasantly, have a good day.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 29 Nov 17 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

True. All sorts of finger pointing and accusing and blaming opposition fans, police, stewards etc. but in the end if everyone behaved there wouldn't be a problem.

I feel desperately sorry for any innocent fans with tickets who didn't get in and were mistreated by police. But, if it is true ( and this may not be the case) that lots of Palace turned up without tickets and tried to get in , then look no further for someone to blame. Sheer stupidity.

I am glad I got a ticket in the home section - I was out of the ground in 5 minutes at the end.

The fact that neither Brighton nor Palace found the net at least solved my problem of how to react should either side have scored.


It's not a question of outright blame, yes Palace supporters turning up with out tickets ultimately caused the problem, but should the police have anticipated this and acted earlier to prevent it happening. What is going to happen when Liverpool play down there at the weekend ffs?

 


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View Andy_G's Profile Andy_G Flag Wimbledon 29 Nov 17 2.07pm Send a Private Message to Andy_G Add Andy_G as a friend

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

A few cups of tea and a soak in a hot bath and I am back..

I travelled to Brighton. I was wearing my colours (only person I saw all day / evening in them) we were marched the long way to Brighton station to board the train to Falmer. This was to be expected and to be honest all the chanting, shouting and attention we attracted through town was part of the tie and the away day experience. It was a buzz to be part of that..

Took forever to be put on the train , police filmed us constantly. Again expected. Didn't get off at falmer until kick off. That's when the problems began. Through Brighton we were kept kettled and therefore protected by and large. At the perimeter of the amex it was a free for all. We had to pass several of their entrances to get round to ours (this is one thing which they could do with changing in future) now bear in mind I was wearing colours you had Brighton to the left, us to the right and a line of police packed shoulder to shoulder down the middle like a wall. An officer pushed me with full force on my shoulders over to the Brighton side. They were fighting to get at our lads, all sorts were being thrown from both sides. I was asking then shouting to be let through away fRom them to my own supporters and the police refused and kept pushing me back. I wasn't drunk, I wasn't laity or swearing and they put me into a situation of being hurt. Eventually an officer grabbed me and shoved me back to my fans in front of horses which were being driven through the crowds to disperse them.

Bha fans were running out of their entrances to try and get to our fans. I walked round the bend to our entrance and was met with smoke bombs everywhere and absolute total chaos. So we literally arrived in the middle of it all. I will post a photo of the scene which greeted us at the end.

We were then kettled , they rode their horses into us, they sent dogs into us. We had to use the back of coaches to toilet in the 60 odd minutes we were kept there. They started to make the cordon smaller and smaller and with that began the crush and surges of fans. You had no control over which direction you were pushed in it was like being on a wave being tossed about. Scary. At one point I stopped and tired to stand still so not to be knocked to the ground and a police officer punched me in the back between the shoulder blades and shouted to keep moving.. their attitude stank. They treated us like animals and vermin.

Taken back to falmer and made to stand there for ages as there was no train for us. At Brighton they refused to let people leave the station and we were shouted and sworn at by police to get on the bedford train at the next platform. I approached an officer to ask if it called at London.bridge and I was spoken to like filth and shouted at to get on the train. They were vile.

Edited by Michaelawt85 (29 Nov 2017 1.14pm)

Sorry you had to go through that.

I have never been to Brighton away and never will. You really had to think whether a football match is worth that.

 


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View eddiqc's Profile eddiqc Flag Tunbridge wells 29 Nov 17 2.07pm Send a Private Message to eddiqc Add eddiqc as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Ashamed to be Palace tonight' by Midlands Eagle

Originally posted by Mr_Flow
But surely the Police/Stewards/club would have expected, and known/identified fans without tickets in the Brighton area prior to match? This could have been avoided with a simple checkpoint 25/50m prior to the turnstile, where you had to show your ticket to gain access.

I'm not condoning the actions of the minority, and they should be held bang to rights. However, the planning, stewarding and policing was completely substandard and "real" fans missed out as a result.

The fact that this is even necessary is embarrassing, I wouldn't call these troublemakers palace fans. They're probably just a load of dickheads that don't have anything better to do with their lives other than inflict violence on others.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 17 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

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Reports of knives, knuckle dusters being confiscated and masked supporters in incidents in the town centre.

 

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