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chelski london 14 Feb 13 11.56am
Quote snytaxx at 14 Feb 2013 11.48am Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 11.16am Quote snytaxx at 14 Feb 2013 11.05am Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 10.48am Disagree, the spending has greatly enhanced English football worldwide, hence the massive growth in TV money next year, which by the way you will benefit from massively if you get promotes. Will you not take that money as a matter of principle?!?!?! In a way you will be riding on the back of our success. Its because the big clubs are so successful more money is coming in to the game and our game has moved to a massive world wide audience. Additionally, we have the amazing European Games we witness every season. In terms of ticket prices Chelsea FC have frozen them over the last few seasons and there are many opportunities to go 'on the cheap'. Its the top priced tickets that are expensive. Actually wasnt really 'chuffed' by the u18 result just thought it funny how Palace fans shout loudly when they win an U18 game but when they get 'battered' they fall silent. Any closer analysis of our youth system since Abramovic will show that over the last few years we have amazing talent emerging. We are consistantly the best at every age group across the country (as shown by the endless list of trophies at each age group) and players emerging now are being heralded as the very best about. Just look at the amount that represent their respective countries. Thats not really true is it.. Yes the game is now more popular abroad and = greater revenues. But the majority of that money goes to places where it is of no benefit to football at all. e.g. Ashley Cole's wages and Rupert Murdoch's offshore bank account. You fail to mention the cost to the English national team as countless Premier league sides have effectively shut out the development of English players by denying them first team opportunities, opting to bring in international players instead for a greater fee. The EPL has gorged itself over TV revenues at the expense of the English National team. This is not a dig a Chelsea so much, but you were one of the first teams to start this practice. Edited by snytaxx (14 Feb 2013 11.06am) Finally an educated debate! I think there is an element of truth regarding the problems with youth development at the bigger clubs. I think also that when you are looking for instant success there is a need to buy the right players to do this. Chelsea did it, as have City. However a closer analysis of our youth system over the last few years indicates a sea-change in terms of the amount of foreign talent we buy and the amount we produce. As stated in a previous post the vast majority of our youth team players are english. Additionally Chelsea are developing the system of loaning very good young players out and if they do well then bringing them back. Look closely at our loan players and you will see that they are forging careers at the highest level and if they are successful (to the level to play for us) they will return and be part of the team. Palace even benefited from this with Scott Sinclair. There is not just an element about it... its completely true! You may now finally actaually start to be giving a slight toss about the national team but the damage is done. Due to teams like Chelsea (not just, but your up there), a whole generation of English players simply haven't made the grade. We now find ourselves with an ageing squad and no primary replacements anywhere near their quality in most areas of the pitch. Its all very well loaning players out, but this doesn't go far enough. In order for future England starlets to really compete with the worlds best at a world cup tournament etc, they need to be competing with them at first team premier league standard, loaning them out will help, but to continuously loan out a player wont stabilise his career at all. They need to get into your first team, however its almost wrong of Chelsea to promise this when this task appears to be almost unbelievable which the top brass at Chelsea are happy to bring in £20 million + players each transfer window to sustain a throphy push. I think the fact we have been unsuccessful in international football goes far deeper than opportunities in the first team. We weren't doing any better prior to the influx of foreign talent. However, I do think now that things are changing for the better. The academies are much better at fostering and nurturing taleny. Also who are the best young talents about for England? Jack Wilshere - loaned out Danny Welbeck - loaned out Joe Hart - Loaned out Tom Cleverly - loaned out
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Quote snytaxx at 14 Feb 2013 11.48am

Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 11.16am

Quote snytaxx at 14 Feb 2013 11.05am

Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 10.48am

Disagree, the spending has greatly enhanced English football worldwide, hence the massive growth in TV money next year, which by the way you will benefit from massively if you get promotes. Will you not take that money as a matter of principle?!?!?!
In a way you will be riding on the back of our success. Its because the big clubs are so successful more money is coming in to the game and our game has moved to a massive world wide audience. Additionally, we have the amazing European Games we witness every season.
In terms of ticket prices Chelsea FC have frozen them over the last few seasons and there are many opportunities to go 'on the cheap'. Its the top priced tickets that are expensive.
Actually wasnt really 'chuffed' by the u18 result just thought it funny how Palace fans shout loudly when they win an U18 game but when they get 'battered' they fall silent.
Any closer analysis of our youth system since Abramovic will show that over the last few years we have amazing talent emerging. We are consistantly the best at every age group across the country (as shown by the endless list of trophies at each age group) and players emerging now are being heralded as the very best about. Just look at the amount that represent their respective countries.

Thats not really true is it.. Yes the game is now more popular abroad and = greater revenues. But the majority of that money goes to places where it is of no benefit to football at all. e.g. Ashley Cole's wages and Rupert Murdoch's offshore bank account.

You fail to mention the cost to the English national team as countless Premier league sides have effectively shut out the development of English players by denying them first team opportunities, opting to bring in international players instead for a greater fee. The EPL has gorged itself over TV revenues at the expense of the English National team. This is not a dig a Chelsea so much, but you were one of the first teams to start this practice.

Edited by snytaxx (14 Feb 2013 11.06am)

Finally an educated debate! I think there is an element of truth regarding the problems with youth development at the bigger clubs. I think also that when you are looking for instant success there is a need to buy the right players to do this. Chelsea did it, as have City. However a closer analysis of our youth system over the last few years indicates a sea-change in terms of the amount of foreign talent we buy and the amount we produce. As stated in a previous post the vast majority of our youth team players are english.

Additionally Chelsea are developing the system of loaning very good young players out and if they do well then bringing them back. Look closely at our loan players and you will see that they are forging careers at the highest level and if they are successful (to the level to play for us) they will return and be part of the team. Palace even benefited from this with Scott Sinclair.

There is not just an element about it... its completely true!

You may now finally actaually start to be giving a slight toss about the national team but the damage is done. Due to teams like Chelsea (not just, but your up there), a whole generation of English players simply haven't made the grade. We now find ourselves with an ageing squad and no primary replacements anywhere near their quality in most areas of the pitch.

Its all very well loaning players out, but this doesn't go far enough. In order for future England starlets to really compete with the worlds best at a world cup tournament etc, they need to be competing with them at first team premier league standard, loaning them out will help, but to continuously loan out a player wont stabilise his career at all. They need to get into your first team, however its almost wrong of Chelsea to promise this when this task appears to be almost unbelievable which the top brass at Chelsea are happy to bring in £20 million + players each transfer window to sustain a throphy push.

I think the fact we have been unsuccessful in international football goes far deeper than opportunities in the first team. We weren't doing any better prior to the influx of foreign talent.
However, I do think now that things are changing for the better. The academies are much better at fostering and nurturing taleny. Also who are the best young talents about for England?

Jack Wilshere - loaned out
Danny Welbeck - loaned out
Joe Hart - Loaned out
Tom Cleverly - loaned out

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chelski london 14 Feb 13 11.58am
Quote Leiceagle at 14 Feb 2013 11.53am Sad? No, just happy to support a club that keeps football in perspective and who's fans dont cry "crisis" whenever they dont win a home game. Football is about love and passion. Cant beat seeing your team win major matches. Fortunately have seen a lot of that in recent years. Fans cry 'crisis'??? Think you mean the PRESS dont you?
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Quote Leiceagle at 14 Feb 2013 11.53am

Sad?
No, just happy to support a club that keeps football in perspective and who's fans dont cry "crisis" whenever they dont win a home game.

Football is about love and passion. Cant beat seeing your team win major matches. Fortunately have seen a lot of that in recent years.

Fans cry 'crisis'??? Think you mean the PRESS dont you?

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chelski london 14 Feb 13 1.24pm
Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville Paul Canoville (correct spelling), Chelsea's first black player. Left footed, played on the wing mostly. Highly thought off. Sadly abused racially by sections of the Chelsea fans when he first arrived. Thankfully apart from the odd isolated incident that has disappeared from stamford bridge. Next??
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Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am

I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville

Paul Canoville (correct spelling), Chelsea's first black player. Left footed, played on the wing mostly. Highly thought off. Sadly abused racially by sections of the Chelsea fans when he first arrived. Thankfully apart from the odd isolated incident that has disappeared from stamford bridge. Next??

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Feb 13 1.27pm
Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville Paul Canoville (correct spelling), Chelsea's first black player. Left footed, played on the wing mostly. Highly thought off. Sadly abused racially by sections of the Chelsea fans when he first arrived. Thankfully apart from the odd isolated incident that has disappeared from stamford bridge. Next?? You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today?? Pro USA & Israel
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Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am

I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville

You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today??

Pro USA & Israel

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chelski london 14 Feb 13 1.31pm
Quote Jimenez at 14 Feb 2013 1.27pm Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville Paul Canoville (correct spelling), Chelsea's first black player. Left footed, played on the wing mostly. Highly thought off. Sadly abused racially by sections of the Chelsea fans when he first arrived. Thankfully apart from the odd isolated incident that has disappeared from stamford bridge. Next?? You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today?? Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!!
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Quote Jimenez at 14 Feb 2013 1.27pm

Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm

Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am

I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville

You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today??

Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!!

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kwesi_appiah_curse 14 Feb 13 1.40pm
Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.31pm Quote Jimenez at 14 Feb 2013 1.27pm Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville Paul Canoville (correct spelling), Chelsea's first black player. Left footed, played on the wing mostly. Highly thought off. Sadly abused racially by sections of the Chelsea fans when he first arrived. Thankfully apart from the odd isolated incident that has disappeared from stamford bridge. Next?? You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today?? Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!! I'd say the latter is far more exciting
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Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.31pm

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Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am

I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville

You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today??

Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!!

I'd say the latter is far more exciting

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chelski london 14 Feb 13 1.44pm
Quote kwesi_appiah_curse at 14 Feb 2013 1.40pm Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.31pm Quote Jimenez at 14 Feb 2013 1.27pm Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville Paul Canoville (correct spelling), Chelsea's first black player. Left footed, played on the wing mostly. Highly thought off. Sadly abused racially by sections of the Chelsea fans when he first arrived. Thankfully apart from the odd isolated incident that has disappeared from stamford bridge. Next?? You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today?? Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!! I'd say the latter is far more exciting Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!! [Link]
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Quote kwesi_appiah_curse at 14 Feb 2013 1.40pm

Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.31pm

Quote Jimenez at 14 Feb 2013 1.27pm

Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm

Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am

I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville

You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today??

Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!!

I'd say the latter is far more exciting

Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!!

[Link]

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andysmithcpfc1983 Selsdon 14 Feb 13 1.55pm
Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.44pm Quote kwesi_appiah_curse at 14 Feb 2013 1.40pm Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.31pm Quote Jimenez at 14 Feb 2013 1.27pm Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville Paul Canoville (correct spelling), Chelsea's first black player. Left footed, played on the wing mostly. Highly thought off. Sadly abused racially by sections of the Chelsea fans when he first arrived. Thankfully apart from the odd isolated incident that has disappeared from stamford bridge. Next?? You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today?? Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!! I'd say the latter is far more exciting Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!! [Link] All I heard was the sound of prawn sandwiches being dropped
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Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.44pm

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Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.24pm

Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 11.51am

I wonder if he's ever heard of Paul Cannonville

You looking forward to playing in the Johnstone Paints Trophy today??

Oh dear, is that the best you can do. Yes as European Champions its disappointing to be playing in the Europa Cup but I suppose it beats fighting for a play-off spot in the Championship!!!

I'd say the latter is far more exciting

Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!!

[Link]

All I heard was the sound of prawn sandwiches being dropped

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chelski london 14 Feb 13 1.59pm
Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!! [Link] All I heard was the sound of prawn sandwiches being dropped No mate that was just the sound of the European Champions. Sorry wasn't it like that in 1991 when you won the full members cup?? Edited by chelski (14 Feb 2013 2.00pm)
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chelski

london 14 Feb 13 1.59pm

Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!!

[Link]

All I heard was the sound of prawn sandwiches being dropped

No mate that was just the sound of the European Champions. Sorry wasn't it like that in 1991 when you won the full members cup??

Edited by chelski (14 Feb 2013 2.00pm)

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Bin Liner London , Southfields 14 Feb 13 2.05pm
Red card please ! Portillo's teeth removed to boost pound Boy roasts himself in sacrifice to Chris Kelly
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London , Southfields 14 Feb 13 2.05pm

Red card please !

Portillo's teeth removed to boost pound

Boy roasts himself in sacrifice to Chris Kelly

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cheeky ios monkey Orpington 14 Feb 13 2.06pm
Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.59pm Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!! [Link] All I heard was the sound of prawn sandwiches being dropped No mate that was just the sound of the European Champions. Sorry wasn't it like that in 1991 when you won the full members cup?? Edited by chelski (14 Feb 2013 2.00pm) From your official website: The smallest post-war attendance is from the early Eighties, versus Orient on a Wednesday night in May 1982, also in the old Second Division, when 6,009 paid to get in. Fcukin plastic fans. Where were you when you were sh1t? Where were you when you were sh1t?
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Quote chelski at 14 Feb 2013 1.59pm

Actually, maybe but not as exciting an this!!!!

[Link]

All I heard was the sound of prawn sandwiches being dropped

No mate that was just the sound of the European Champions. Sorry wasn't it like that in 1991 when you won the full members cup??

Edited by chelski (14 Feb 2013 2.00pm)

From your official website:

The smallest post-war attendance is from the early Eighties, versus Orient on a Wednesday night in May 1982, also in the old Second Division, when 6,009 paid to get in.

Fcukin plastic fans.
Where were you when you were sh1t?
Where were you when you were sh1t?

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chelski london 14 Feb 13 2.08pm
Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 2.05pm Red card please ! Thats desperate!!! This away site is for AWAY fans having banter. So you cant cope with the banter so you say red card. HA HA
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london 14 Feb 13 2.08pm

Quote Bin Liner at 14 Feb 2013 2.05pm

Red card please !

Thats desperate!!! This away site is for AWAY fans having banter.

So you cant cope with the banter so you say red card.

HA HA

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