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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Dec 20 7.24pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The rationale is that there are general societal biases against black people. The fact that middle class people don’t see it much is largely because of who they mix with, where they live and work and their social milieu. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

I will say what I always say. Ask your black mates how it feels to be black. Especially any who aren’t middle class.

So football is trying to take a lead. I didn’t see these complaints relating to Kick It Out, so maybe the image is making people feel uncomfortable. I think that’s the point.

What a crock of crap.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 06 Dec 20 8.00pm

Absolute crock!
I cannot stand that generic bit about the middle classes - whatever that means nowadays - it is actually very insulting as you are really saying all of those people are racist.
The last 9 months has taught me a few things and I have never considered myself racist so that is a good thing but 20 odd men taking the knee does bugger all to promote racial equality.
It will eventually just annoy people and so become counter productive and it will also have everyone who doesn't agree with kneeling being called racist when they are not.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Dec 20 8.03pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The rationale is that there are general societal biases against black people. The fact that middle class people don’t see it much is largely because of who they mix with, where they live and work and their social milieu. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

I will say what I always say. Ask your black mates how it feels to be black. Especially any who aren’t middle class.

So football is trying to take a lead. I didn’t see these complaints relating to Kick It Out, so maybe the image is making people feel uncomfortable. I think that’s the point.

I'm too busy tasting wine and planning holidays to notice the plight of the great unwashed.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Dec 20 8.07pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm too busy tasting wine and planning holidays to notice the plight of the great unwashed.

Go on then...what's the wine and where are you going?

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Dec 20 8.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Go on then...what's the wine and where are you going?

A fine vintage red from Aldi for 7.99 and a night away with the missus. Probably nearby. I was mostly just pointing out my middle class credentials.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Dec 20 8.17pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

A fine vintage red from Aldi for 7.99 and a night away with the missus. Probably nearby. I was mostly just pointing out my middle class credentials.

£7.99!!! Ooh la la your majesty!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Dec 20 8.21pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

£7.99!!! Ooh la la your majesty!

Yeah, thought I'd splash out.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Dec 20 8.23pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Yeah, thought I'd splash out.

If you can’t indulge after a 5-1 win when can you I suppose!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Dec 20 8.25pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

If you can’t indulge after a 5-1 win when can you I suppose!

The issue for me are the previous two nights too. I'm too old for this.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Dec 20 8.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The image to me, of kneeling is subservience, it is not racial.

It is like Hitler going past and the masses saluting him in their subservience with the fascist salute.

I get why this happened and have no problem as a one-off, but it is now a political statement and has no place in sport.


100%

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Dec 20 8.28pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

A fine vintage red from Aldi for 7.99 and a night away with the missus. Probably nearby. I was mostly just pointing out my middle class credentials.

How the other half live!

I'm here sucking away on Orange squash and a KFC bargain bucket.

The bargain bucket's the holiday.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2020 8.29pm)

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 06 Dec 20 8.31pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

A fine vintage red from Aldi for 7.99 and a night away with the missus. Probably nearby. I was mostly just pointing out my middle class credentials.

You look down at me because I am working class.

You look up to Willo because he is upper class.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Dec 20 8.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How the other half live!

I'm here sucking away on Orange squash and a KFC bargain bucket.

The bargain bucket's the holiday.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2020 8.29pm)

Not sure the missus will appreciate that mate. But at least you're leaving something to the kids.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 20 8.35pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Sorry to disappoint you.

Then allow me to enlighten you.

Your fanciful analogy has clear and undeniable political aspirations.

BLM, as a political movement, does too but what the players are doing does not. They are just supporting a concept that has caught the imagination of many people and are publically demonstrating it.

That they are doing so with the backing of the FA, their employers and the government ought to inform you that this has nothing whatsoever to do with politics.

Neither the FA the clubs or most of all a Tory government would encourage our football players to offer support to any organisation with the political outlook of BLM. It's a preposterous concept.

Whether it has run it's course and should now be retired is another question but questioning the motives of the players and booing them are both completely unacceptable.

Having read the thread I find some of the comments disturbing. Which is putting it mildly. Some people seem in total denial of their racist nature. It reads like a skinhead reunion.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Dec 20 8.37pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Not sure the missus will appreciate that mate. But at least you're leaving something to the kids.

I know....Now I have peace of mind.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Dec 20 8.39pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then allow me to enlighten you.

Your fanciful analogy has clear and undeniable political aspirations.

BLM, as a political movement, does too but what the players are doing does not. They are just supporting a concept that has caught the imagination of many people and are publically demonstrating it.

That they are doing so with the backing of the FA, their employers and the government ought to inform you that this has nothing whatsoever to do with politics.

Neither the FA the clubs or most of all a Tory government would encourage our football players to offer support to any organisation with the political outlook of BLM. It's a preposterous concept.

Whether it has run it's course and should now be retired is another question but questioning the motives of the players and booing them are both completely unacceptable.

Having read the thread I find some of the comments disturbing. Which is putting it mildly. Some people seem in total denial of their racist nature. It reads like a skinhead reunion.

Skinhead? The ones who based their early look on Rude Boy fashion and listened almost exclusively to ska, blue beat and reggae? Black skinheads must have been confused.

 

fishbone Flag London 06 Dec 20 8.40pm

Absolute crock!
I cannot stand that generic bit about the middle classes - whatever that means nowadays - it is actually very insulting as you are really saying all of those people are racist.
The last 9 months has taught me a few things and I have never considered myself racist so that is a good thing but 20 odd men taking the knee does bugger all to promote racial equality.
It will eventually just annoy people and so become counter productive and it will also have everyone who doesn't agree with kneeling being called racist when they are not.

It will annoy those who refuse to confront their own ignorant and unfortunately their are so many amongst football supporters as racism has been on display for decades within football and the football world has long been weak against it! What is not surprising but sad is that palace have for more than40 years had very popular black players who have suffered racial abuse when they come out on the pitch both home and away, so want to put this out there to make people look at themselves and stop it!! Why fight that?

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Dec 20 9.00pm

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Spiked summing up how most people on here feel about the situation.

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 Dec 20 9.31pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

You look down at me because I am working class.

You look up to Willo because he is upper class.

I know my place.

 

fishbone Flag London 06 Dec 20 9.34pm

Just saw it and honestly what a load of crap, has not the abuse that was suffered at Manchester and Tottenham plus Chelsea last season being remembered has not the complaints of both zaha and Sterling registered? No I’m guessing it hasn’t .
I truly don’t expect anything to drastically change as I have seen it for well over 40 years the ignorant amongst football fans is still and will always be there.

 

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