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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 21 9.55am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Soooo Any wiseguys got any idea how the complete disaster that is tax/customs charges on e-commerce orders to and from the UK might be eased? e-commerce businesses that sell outside the UK are making losses due to the severe drop off of trade due to the new trading rules. Consumers simply don't want to have to pay an additional £30+ on orders, along with the paperwork and time delays. Yes if your business has a predominantly UK sales base you won't fold, but that's not the point, is it. Even if your revenue is 90/10 UK/EU that's still a big loss if you lose half of EU sales due to these charges. Now, the current governmental advice is to open offices in the EU to get around it. Yes – move business out of the UK in order to trade with the EU. Not sure this was the aim, was it? Also, not every company can afford that. All this is doing is stifling growth into EU markets and restricting sales for UK companies to UK only. I can't see how this is in any way a good thing, unless someone has a better take on it. It raises the barrier for entry even further to creating an e-commerce business (basically all retail businesses now) with ambition to grow beyond just a UK market. I think this is partially the UK government's fault and partially a bit of profiteering. Mastercard just ramped up their fees, DHL are charging a percentage for the paperwork whilst the post office is simply charging a flat £8. Hopefully Boris will look again at how we have implemented the rules. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Jan 21 9.55am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Soooo

Any wiseguys got any idea how the complete disaster that is tax/customs charges on e-commerce orders to and from the UK might be eased?

e-commerce businesses that sell outside the UK are making losses due to the severe drop off of trade due to the new trading rules. Consumers simply don't want to have to pay an additional £30+ on orders, along with the paperwork and time delays. Yes if your business has a predominantly UK sales base you won't fold, but that's not the point, is it. Even if your revenue is 90/10 UK/EU that's still a big loss if you lose half of EU sales due to these charges.

Now, the current governmental advice is to open offices in the EU to get around it. Yes – move business out of the UK in order to trade with the EU. Not sure this was the aim, was it? Also, not every company can afford that. All this is doing is stifling growth into EU markets and restricting sales for UK companies to UK only.

I can't see how this is in any way a good thing, unless someone has a better take on it. It raises the barrier for entry even further to creating an e-commerce business (basically all retail businesses now) with ambition to grow beyond just a UK market.

I think this is partially the UK government's fault and partially a bit of profiteering. Mastercard just ramped up their fees, DHL are charging a percentage for the paperwork whilst the post office is simply charging a flat £8.

Hopefully Boris will look again at how we have implemented the rules.

One more point

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 10.12am
Originally posted by Badger11 I think this is partially the UK government's fault and partially a bit of profiteering. Mastercard just ramped up their fees, DHL are charging a percentage for the paperwork whilst the post office is simply charging a flat £8. Hopefully Boris will look again at how we have implemented the rules. 'Hopefully' Not sure what you mean – the rules can't change, surely. The deal has been agreed... And when you refer to a flat rate of £8 – I'm pretty sure that applies to domestic post, otherwise everyone would simply be using that. Not commercial e-commerce shipping. Yes there appears to be profiteering occurring but ultimately EU consumers of UK products will not bother if they have to pay increased postage, customs and tax on arrival. That isn't an assumption, it's already happening en masse. And also the charges work BOTH ways. It's not just a UK problem. Larger businesses will be able to work this out by moving part of their business (plus revenue and jobs) to the EU to get round it, but how is that a benefit to the UK? Smaller and even medium sized businesses are screwed. It's a disaster. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 10.12am

Originally posted by Badger11

Hopefully Boris will look again at how we have implemented the rules.

'Hopefully'

Not sure what you mean – the rules can't change, surely. The deal has been agreed...

And when you refer to a flat rate of £8 – I'm pretty sure that applies to domestic post, otherwise everyone would simply be using that. Not commercial e-commerce shipping. Yes there appears to be profiteering occurring but ultimately EU consumers of UK products will not bother if they have to pay increased postage, customs and tax on arrival. That isn't an assumption, it's already happening en masse.

And also the charges work BOTH ways. It's not just a UK problem. Larger businesses will be able to work this out by moving part of their business (plus revenue and jobs) to the EU to get round it, but how is that a benefit to the UK?

Smaller and even medium sized businesses are screwed. It's a disaster.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

taylors lovechild 26 Jan 21 10.24am
As someone living in the EU I've already encountered multiple problems due to Brexit, including finding out the hospitals here no longer recognise the reciprocal health agreement, meaning I had to pay out a shed load in additional social security payments to ensure my wife could continue her chemo. The additional paperwork is also already becoming a headache; the other week my daughter came home from school with forms to confirm our status, while another personal matter I was dealing with which pre-Brexit only required a copy of one form now requires me to travel to the UK to obtain an original certified copy from a solicitor with wet signatures. Barclays also look like they are going to close my UK account as apparently the banks in the UK are going to ditch all of their EU-based customers. These are just my personal experiences and some of them may well be because no one here or in the UK seemingly knows what the f**k they are supposed to be doing as they have had no clear instruction. Although I voted remain, I have to live with Brexit now so I just hope this absolute mess gets cleaned up soon before it makes my life any harder than it already has. Fortunately I qualify for an Irish passport, so at least I can remain after all. On a lighter note, we do have an office here called "The Office for the Simplification of Bureaucracy". That is not even a joke. I'm imagining there may be a queue forming there very soon!

taylors lovechild

26 Jan 21 10.24am

As someone living in the EU I've already encountered multiple problems due to Brexit, including finding out the hospitals here no longer recognise the reciprocal health agreement, meaning I had to pay out a shed load in additional social security payments to ensure my wife could continue her chemo. The additional paperwork is also already becoming a headache; the other week my daughter came home from school with forms to confirm our status, while another personal matter I was dealing with which pre-Brexit only required a copy of one form now requires me to travel to the UK to obtain an original certified copy from a solicitor with wet signatures. Barclays also look like they are going to close my UK account as apparently the banks in the UK are going to ditch all of their EU-based customers.

These are just my personal experiences and some of them may well be because no one here or in the UK seemingly knows what the f**k they are supposed to be doing as they have had no clear instruction. Although I voted remain, I have to live with Brexit now so I just hope this absolute mess gets cleaned up soon before it makes my life any harder than it already has. Fortunately I qualify for an Irish passport, so at least I can remain after all.

On a lighter note, we do have an office here called "The Office for the Simplification of Bureaucracy". That is not even a joke. I'm imagining there may be a queue forming there very soon!

Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 21 10.44am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC 'Hopefully' Not sure what you mean – the rules can't change, surely. The deal has been agreed... And when you refer to a flat rate of £8 – I'm pretty sure that applies to domestic post, otherwise everyone would simply be using that. Not commercial e-commerce shipping. Yes there appears to be profiteering occurring but ultimately EU consumers of UK products will not bother if they have to pay increased postage, customs and tax on arrival. That isn't an assumption, it's already happening en masse. And also the charges work BOTH ways. It's not just a UK problem. Larger businesses will be able to work this out by moving part of their business (plus revenue and jobs) to the EU to get round it, but how is that a benefit to the UK? Smaller and even medium sized businesses are screwed. It's a disaster. The government is applying customs charges don't have to and the way they are charging VAT is problematic for the EU suppliers. [Link] Additionally the EU and the UK could agree a trusted trader scheme to eliminate a lot of the paperwork. You don't need to change the trade deal just how you interpret the rules. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Jan 21 10.44am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

'Hopefully'

Not sure what you mean – the rules can't change, surely. The deal has been agreed...

Smaller and even medium sized businesses are screwed. It's a disaster.

The government is applying customs charges don't have to and the way they are charging VAT is problematic for the EU suppliers.

[Link]

Additionally the EU and the UK could agree a trusted trader scheme to eliminate a lot of the paperwork.

You don't need to change the trade deal just how you interpret the rules.

One more point

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 26 Jan 21 10.48am
And now, according to The Times this morning, the EU are miffed that we've been successful with our vaccination programme and want exports of the Pfizer jab to Britain, which is produced in Belgium, 'to be notified for approval to Brussels. Talk about a petulant coven of non-elected beurocrats. Hope we limit the amount of the Astrazeneca vaccine we manufacture for export. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 26 Jan 21 10.48am

And now, according to The Times this morning, the EU are miffed that we've been successful with our vaccination programme and want exports of the Pfizer jab to Britain, which is produced in Belgium, 'to be notified for approval to Brussels.

Talk about a petulant coven of non-elected beurocrats.

Hope we limit the amount of the Astrazeneca vaccine we manufacture for export.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 11.49am
Originally posted by Badger11 The government is applying customs charges don't have to and the way they are charging VAT is problematic for the EU suppliers. [Link] Additionally the EU and the UK could agree a trusted trader scheme to eliminate a lot of the paperwork. You don't need to change the trade deal just how you interpret the rules. It's problematic for UK suppliers as well, which is my main point as it affects UK businesses. Even if the UK govt decides not to charge VAT on EU purchases (which you would have thought they'd have decided to do before Jan 1, so I can't see it happening), it doesn't remove the problem of VAT charges to end consumers going the other way, and therefore would still be killing off UK ecommerce revenue streams and diverting money and jobs elsewhere. 'Could agree' – any credible reporting to suggest this is even being talked about, let alone negotiated? It's a massive negative, no matter how you want to spin it. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 11.49am

Originally posted by Badger11

The government is applying customs charges don't have to and the way they are charging VAT is problematic for the EU suppliers.

[Link]

Additionally the EU and the UK could agree a trusted trader scheme to eliminate a lot of the paperwork.

You don't need to change the trade deal just how you interpret the rules.

It's problematic for UK suppliers as well, which is my main point as it affects UK businesses. Even if the UK govt decides not to charge VAT on EU purchases (which you would have thought they'd have decided to do before Jan 1, so I can't see it happening), it doesn't remove the problem of VAT charges to end consumers going the other way, and therefore would still be killing off UK ecommerce revenue streams and diverting money and jobs elsewhere.

'Could agree' – any credible reporting to suggest this is even being talked about, let alone negotiated? It's a massive negative, no matter how you want to spin it.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Matov 26 Jan 21 12.00pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer And now, according to The Times this morning, the EU are miffed that we've been successful with our vaccination programme and want exports of the Pfizer jab to Britain, which is produced in Belgium, 'to be notified for approval to Brussels. Talk about a petulant coven of non-elected beurocrats. Hope we limit the amount of the Astrazeneca vaccine we manufacture for export. The EU are little bit more than miffed. This is a huge story because they know they are in a world of grief of all their own making. This explains a lot of it... [Tweet Link] Edited by Matov (26 Jan 2021 12.01pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

26 Jan 21 12.00pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Talk about a petulant coven of non-elected beurocrats.

Hope we limit the amount of the Astrazeneca vaccine we manufacture for export.

The EU are little bit more than miffed. This is a huge story because they know they are in a world of grief of all their own making.

This explains a lot of it...

[Tweet Link]

Edited by Matov (26 Jan 2021 12.01pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 21 12.07pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC It's problematic for UK suppliers as well, which is my main point as it affects UK businesses. Even if the UK govt decides not to charge VAT on EU purchases (which you would have thought they'd have decided to do before Jan 1, so I can't see it happening), it doesn't remove the problem of VAT charges to end consumers going the other way, and therefore would still be killing off UK ecommerce revenue streams and diverting money and jobs elsewhere. 'Could agree' – any credible reporting to suggest this is even being talked about, let alone negotiated? It's a massive negative, no matter how you want to spin it. I'm not spinning it you were the one who asked for suggestions. I agree there is no sign of either party discussing it. I would hope that common sense prevails but this is politics. At the moment the French authorities are being overly officious with documentation and that is the polite term. Apparently you can't get a Mackerel through but they don't seem to notice the boat loads of migrants going the other way. This is a problem for both sides. Edited by Badger11 (26 Jan 2021 12.07pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Jan 21 12.07pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

'Could agree' – any credible reporting to suggest this is even being talked about, let alone negotiated? It's a massive negative, no matter how you want to spin it.

I'm not spinning it you were the one who asked for suggestions.

I agree there is no sign of either party discussing it. I would hope that common sense prevails but this is politics.

At the moment the French authorities are being overly officious with documentation and that is the polite term. Apparently you can't get a Mackerel through but they don't seem to notice the boat loads of migrants going the other way.

This is a problem for both sides.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Jan 2021 12.07pm)

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 21 12.11pm
Originally posted by Matov The EU are little bit more than miffed. This is a huge story because they know they are in a world of grief of all their own making. This explains a lot of it... [Tweet Link] Edited by Matov (26 Jan 2021 12.01pm) Last summer the government was being slaughtered by the media, politicians celebs etc. because we hadn't thrown our lot in with the EU negotiations and that we had missed the boat, back of the queue etc. I wonder if those critics remember that now? One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Jan 21 12.11pm

Originally posted by Matov

The EU are little bit more than miffed. This is a huge story because they know they are in a world of grief of all their own making.

This explains a lot of it...

[Tweet Link]

Edited by Matov (26 Jan 2021 12.01pm)

Last summer the government was being slaughtered by the media, politicians celebs etc. because we hadn't thrown our lot in with the EU negotiations and that we had missed the boat, back of the queue etc.

I wonder if those critics remember that now?

One more point

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 12.16pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I'm not spinning it you were the one who asked for suggestions. I agree there is no sign of either party discussing it. I would hope that common sense prevails but this is politics. At the moment the French authorities are being overly officious with documentation and that is the polite term. Apparently you can't get a Mackerel through but they don't seem to notice the boat loads of migrants going the other way. This is a problem for both sides. Edited by Badger11 (26 Jan 2021 12.07pm) That I did. I think I should have been clearer – I meant possible solutions for now, that businesses are considering taking, as in workarounds based on the existing rules rather than what the government could or could not do in future. Theoretical changes will be too late, by then the damage will have been done. If the only way around it is to open a shell company in the EU and distribute from there, it's madness. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 12.16pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I'm not spinning it you were the one who asked for suggestions.

I agree there is no sign of either party discussing it. I would hope that common sense prevails but this is politics.

This is a problem for both sides.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Jan 2021 12.07pm)

That I did. I think I should have been clearer – I meant possible solutions for now, that businesses are considering taking, as in workarounds based on the existing rules rather than what the government could or could not do in future. Theoretical changes will be too late, by then the damage will have been done. If the only way around it is to open a shell company in the EU and distribute from there, it's madness.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 12.17pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Last summer the government was being slaughtered by the media, politicians celebs etc. because we hadn't thrown our lot in with the EU negotiations and that we had missed the boat, back of the queue etc. I wonder if those critics remember that now? Hopefully they do. Great strategic move that's paying off big time. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 12.17pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I wonder if those critics remember that now?

Hopefully they do. Great strategic move that's paying off big time.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Matov 26 Jan 21 12.24pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Hopefully they do. Great strategic move that's paying off big time. The Robert Preston twitter feed on this subject is fascinating. Turns out that the likes of Germany and Italy had been talking to AZ as well, at about the same time as the UK but the EU insisted that it would deal with all vaccines procurement and they stepped aside. With the EU pissing about for well over 2 months. Seen some break down of the contract the EU signed with AZ which made quite clear that there could well be delays in supply due to this being a new process as well. Pretty desperate measures on behalf of the EU along with this attempt last night to rubbish the vaccine itself coming from within Germany, all now strenuously denied. Brussels are in serious, serious trouble over this. Italy is about to go nuclear again (I believe its Government collapsed this morning) and with a host of other bush-fires breaking out all over, then it is really up against it at the moment. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

26 Jan 21 12.24pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Hopefully they do. Great strategic move that's paying off big time.

The Robert Preston twitter feed on this subject is fascinating. Turns out that the likes of Germany and Italy had been talking to AZ as well, at about the same time as the UK but the EU insisted that it would deal with all vaccines procurement and they stepped aside.

With the EU pissing about for well over 2 months. Seen some break down of the contract the EU signed with AZ which made quite clear that there could well be delays in supply due to this being a new process as well. Pretty desperate measures on behalf of the EU along with this attempt last night to rubbish the vaccine itself coming from within Germany, all now strenuously denied.

Brussels are in serious, serious trouble over this. Italy is about to go nuclear again (I believe its Government collapsed this morning) and with a host of other bush-fires breaking out all over, then it is really up against it at the moment.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

cryrst The garden of England 26 Jan 21 12.42pm
Originally posted by Matov The Robert Preston twitter feed on this subject is fascinating. Turns out that the likes of Germany and Italy had been talking to AZ as well, at about the same time as the UK but the EU insisted that it would deal with all vaccines procurement and they stepped aside. With the EU pissing about for well over 2 months. Seen some break down of the contract the EU signed with AZ which made quite clear that there could well be delays in supply due to this being a new process as well. Pretty desperate measures on behalf of the EU along with this attempt last night to rubbish the vaccine itself coming from within Germany, all now strenuously denied. Brussels are in serious, serious trouble over this. Italy is about to go nuclear again (I believe its Government collapsed this morning) and with a host of other bush-fires breaking out all over, then it is really up against it at the moment. And that unimportant little blot of land is causing it all. Ha ha. The other trade and paperwork bits will sort themselves out I'm sure. We are 4 weeks into forever. Snagging happens with the smallest of contracts.

cryrst

The garden of England 26 Jan 21 12.42pm

Originally posted by Matov

And that unimportant little blot of land is causing it all. Ha ha.
The other trade and paperwork bits will sort themselves out I'm sure.
We are 4 weeks into forever. Snagging happens with the smallest of contracts.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jan 21 12.47pm
Originally posted by Matov The Robert Preston twitter feed on this subject is fascinating. Turns out that the likes of Germany and Italy had been talking to AZ as well, at about the same time as the UK but the EU insisted that it would deal with all vaccines procurement and they stepped aside. With the EU pissing about for well over 2 months. Seen some break down of the contract the EU signed with AZ which made quite clear that there could well be delays in supply due to this being a new process as well. Pretty desperate measures on behalf of the EU along with this attempt last night to rubbish the vaccine itself coming from within Germany, all now strenuously denied. Brussels are in serious, serious trouble over this. Italy is about to go nuclear again (I believe its Government collapsed this morning) and with a host of other bush-fires breaking out all over, then it is really up against it at the moment. I'm getting this story big time in Ireland. It looks like Astra-Zeneca got fed up with the EUs non-approval and are paying them back in kind. I'm reading between the lines, as obviously Astra-Zeneca are the bad guys in our news. Rioting in Holland of all places and their PM stepped down recently over a different scandal. In Ireland our government are always corrupt spin-doctors. Very few take them that seriously. Let's say, we take what they say with a pinch of salt. Even an RTE (our official news) posed a question about the heel dragging on the approval for the British vaccine last night but was not answered and quickly glossed over. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jan 21 12.47pm

Originally posted by Matov

I'm getting this story big time in Ireland. It looks like Astra-Zeneca got fed up with the EUs non-approval and are paying them back in kind. I'm reading between the lines, as obviously Astra-Zeneca are the bad guys in our news. Rioting in Holland of all places and their PM stepped down recently over a different scandal.
In Ireland our government are always corrupt spin-doctors. Very few take them that seriously. Let's say, we take what they say with a pinch of salt.
Even an RTE (our official news) posed a question about the heel dragging on the approval for the British vaccine last night but was not answered and quickly glossed over.

Red and Blue Army!

Mapletree Croydon 26 Jan 21 12.56pm
How interesting So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm. I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement. Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off.

Mapletree

Croydon 26 Jan 21 12.56pm

How interesting

So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm.

I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement.

Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off.

chris123 hove actually 26 Jan 21 1.17pm
Originally posted by Mapletree How interesting So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm. I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement. Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off. Has the AZ been approved yet?

chris123

hove actually 26 Jan 21 1.17pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

How interesting

So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm.

I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement.

Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off.

Has the AZ been approved yet?

BlueJay UK 26 Jan 21 1.20pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC That I did. I think I should have been clearer – I meant possible solutions for now, that businesses are considering taking, as in workarounds based on the existing rules rather than what the government could or could not do in future. Theoretical changes will be too late, by then the damage will have been done. If the only way around it is to open a shell company in the EU and distribute from there, it's madness. Also, as per a discussion the other day duty is now charged based on point or origin. As in if a product is deemed to originate from China (which masses of products do) a UK seller is the charged when he or she tries to sell into the EU. The EU on the other hand is a trading block and so can seamlessly move this same item duty free to other EU nations. This stuff should've been sorted in the agreement. They had years to sort this and whether loopholes or oversights these issues are going to put a lot of UK companies out of business.

BlueJay

UK 26 Jan 21 1.20pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Also, as per a discussion the other day duty is now charged based on point or origin. As in if a product is deemed to originate from China (which masses of products do) a UK seller is the charged when he or she tries to sell into the EU. The EU on the other hand is a trading block and so can seamlessly move this same item duty free to other EU nations.

This stuff should've been sorted in the agreement. They had years to sort this and whether loopholes or oversights these issues are going to put a lot of UK companies out of business.

cryrst The garden of England 26 Jan 21 1.21pm
Originally posted by Mapletree How interesting So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm. I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement. Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off. It would have been different as we would now be in the queue the same as the other 27 countries. Being blackmailed in some capacity. Maybe once we are nearly all done with vaccines the uk can blackmail the EU for better terms. Karma the bitch

cryrst

The garden of England 26 Jan 21 1.21pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

How interesting

So economics and politics trumps health as the EU drags its feet with a UK firm to give a head start to an EU firm.

I wonder if this would have been different were the UK to have joined the EU procurement.

Anyway, clearly a BIG mess. And the EU seems to be trying to dominate Pfizer to the detriment of the UK, presumably because the UK already has the AZ vaccine so in reality is better off.

It would have been different as we would now be in the queue the same as the other 27 countries. Being blackmailed in some capacity. Maybe once we are nearly all done with vaccines the uk can blackmail the EU for better terms. Karma the bitch

Teddy Eagle 26 Jan 21 1.31pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Last summer the government was being slaughtered by the media, politicians celebs etc. because we hadn't thrown our lot in with the EU negotiations and that we had missed the boat, back of the queue etc. I wonder if those critics remember that now? Indeed. My mum is 89 and has lived in France for 30 years and hasn’t had her jab yet . She’s been told that locally they’ve run out of vaccine and to ring them in two weeks for an update.

Teddy Eagle

26 Jan 21 1.31pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I wonder if those critics remember that now?

Indeed. My mum is 89 and has lived in France for 30 years and hasn’t had her jab yet . She’s been told that locally they’ve run out of vaccine and to ring them in two weeks for an update.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 1.41pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Also, as per a discussion the other day duty is now charged based on point or origin. As in if a product is deemed to originate from China (which masses of products do) a UK seller is the charged when he or she tries to sell into the EU. The EU on the other hand is a trading block and so can seamlessly move this same item duty free to other EU nations. This stuff should've been sorted in the agreement. They had years to sort this and whether loopholes or oversights these issues are going to put a lot of UK companies out of business. It's a complete mess. If they don't smooth it out somehow, why would anyone with any ambition bother starting up a retail business in this country. Insane Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 26 Jan 21 1.41pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

This stuff should've been sorted in the agreement. They had years to sort this and whether loopholes or oversights these issues are going to put a lot of UK companies out of business.

It's a complete mess. If they don't smooth it out somehow, why would anyone with any ambition bother starting up a retail business in this country. Insane

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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