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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 12 May 19 11.33am |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 May 19 11.35am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
A competent negotiator and not a remainer. Without truly leaving the EU and still being tied in there won’t be any freedom. I feel certain that after Brexit is delivered, the next Conservative leader will fit this category. In terms of the EU election, those who might be attracted by the Brexit Party are being tempted to protest but, while I can certainly see their reasoning after the frustrations of the last two years, I believe we need MEPs from a party whose commitment is not just informed by the desire to leave but also by a vision of what we should do when we have left. To my mind this requires a party of government rather than a party of protest but as sure as eggs, the Conservatives will take a battering in the election with many Conservative members and councillors voting for Farage. Got to get my glad rags on now and travel up to 'Selhurst Park' ! Edited by Willo (12 May 2019 11.48am)
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| Midlands Eagle 12 May 19 11.41am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Good article on Farage and Brexit "Farage’s relative success is partly the product of his intuitive understanding of how to deploy the populist playbook: whip up public disenchantment with the establishment, accuse the elites of thwarting the will of the people and offer misleadingly simple solutions to complex problems." What's good about it? All I saw was a left wing newspaper rubbishing a right wing politician in keeping with their own socialist views
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| DANGERCLOSE London 12 May 19 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
What's good about it? All I saw was a left wing newspaper rubbishing a right wing politician in keeping with their own socialist views Agreed
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 May 19 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I feel certain that after Brexit is delivered, the next Conservative leader will fit this category. In terms of the EU election, those who might be attracted by the Brexit Party are being tempted to protest but, while I can certainly see their reasoning after the frustrations of the last two years, I believe we need MEPs from a party whose commitment is not just informed by the desire to leave but also by a vision of what we should do when we have left. To my mind this requires a party of government rather than a party of protest but as sure as eggs, the Conservatives will take a battering in the election with many Conservative members and councillors voting for Farage. Got to get my glad rags on now and travel up to 'Selhurst Park' ! Edited by Willo (12 May 2019 11.48am) Do MEP’s matter over what happens after we’ve left, seeing as that’s what’s supposed to happen in government and U.K. parliament? What’s included in your glad rags?
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Pussay Patrol  12 May 19 12.44pm |
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You love your own posts?
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
The country voted. The only ''messy'' part is the result being neglected. The messy part is the fact that it's Parliament's responsibility to decide how, and indeed if, to implement the result in the prevailing circumstances in 2019 and not 2016.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
This is a parody account surely? Haven't the remain losers been bitching about a 2nd referendum for the best part of two years.. Not this one. I don't want any more referendums. I want Parliament to do what we pay them to do. Those who do want another want a confirmatory vote on the terms that are finally agreed, once they are known. Given that no-one anticipated the complexities I can understand the argument, although it is not my preference.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 May 19 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The messy part is the fact that it's Parliament's responsibility to decide how, and indeed if, to implement the result in the prevailing circumstances in 2019 and not 2016. How have "prevailing circumstances" (whatever that means) materially changed between then and now? What about Parliament's responsibility to honour the manifesto pledges of both the main parties to deliver on the referendum result?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Is that relevant in even the tiniest way. Many people still believe that the earth is flat but that doesn't mean that they are right Chalk and cheese! We know the earth isn't flat. It's a fact. Believing in Parliamentary democracy, and not wanting us to move towards any kind of direct democracy, is an opinion, although that referendums have no legal status under our current system is also actually a fact.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
So you are still saying I was too stupid to understand and make up my own mind Only you can really answer that. I think you were fed disinformation so were not in a position to know.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Yeah and pigs might fly!! You really shouldnt make comments like that when you slag off others for what you see as 'stupid' comments.....if Remain had 'won' you would be over the moon I would have felt relief but it would not have changed my mind about referendums because there could always be another. We need to delegate complicated decisions to those with the time to study the full implications and access to all the information. That's why we employ MPS! We don't want to put them into the hands of people like Murdoch, or indeed the Russians, manipulating opinion via the media.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Looking forward to the next Scottish independence referendum, when the Scots vote to leave and then Wisbech breaks it to them that the vote wasn't actually valid. Any decision on that will ultimately be taken in Parliament. It's not a question of validity. Any referendum can only be advisory.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Good article on Farage and Brexit "Farage’s relative success is partly the product of his intuitive understanding of how to deploy the populist playbook: whip up public disenchantment with the establishment, accuse the elites of thwarting the will of the people and offer misleadingly simple solutions to complex problems." I have just written to the electoral commission about his "election communication". I posted it on FB too and have received 134 "likes" in 12 hours. For your interest this is the text:- "I have received the "Brexit Party's" election communication for the upcoming EU elections, which I understand has been delivered to all registered electors. I presume they are entitled to receive my details and mail this to me, but if not I want to complain because I don't want their "information" in my home. The reason I am contacting you is that I believe that the "message" from their leader, Mr Farage, is full of inaccuracies which distort and mislead to the point where they could be illegal under electoral law. I would like you to investigate these and either require that they publish a correction or, because of the serious nature of their transgressions, be required to withdraw their candidates. Specifically the message contains this statement "In June 2016, 17.m voted to leave the EU-the biggest democratic mandate in British history". This is a lie. British democracy does not recognise referendums within it's system and no mandate can ever be given to Parliament as a consequence of one. That the ruling Party undertook to respect the result does not change that and convert the referendum result into a mandate. The message goes on to say "almost three years later, the government and MPs have betrayed Brexit". This is also a lie. Parliament has been working hard to try to find a way to deliver a Brexit model which is acceptable to a majority of members. That they are divided in their approaches doesn't mean they have betrayed anyone. Further on it says "We must fight back against our failing MPs who have defied 17.4 million of us." This is a direct and almost certainly illegal challenge to the rule of law and the supremacy of Parliament. MPs are not delegates sent to Parliament to represent sectional interests. They represent all their constituents, the 17.4 million who voted to leave and the 16.1 million who voted to remain. Please investigate as quickly as you can. We suffered from the distorting lies of the Leave campaign in 2016 and this could be a repeat unless action is taken immediately." If you agree with this then perhaps you might consider taking similar action."
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The Marr interview was a total disgrace. I will now be voting Brexit Party for that interview alone. Feck off Andrew Marr, the BBC and Labour. It's strange that whenever I go onto genuinely left leaning sites (which I do sometimes both for amusement and balance) they go apoplectic over the BBC, and it's rightish bias. That tells me that the BBC pretty much get things right. Bias, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 May 19 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have just written to the electoral commission about his "election communication". I posted it on FB too and have received 134 "likes" in 12 hours. For your interest this is the text:- "I have received the "Brexit Party's" election communication for the upcoming EU elections, which I understand has been delivered to all registered electors. I presume they are entitled to receive my details and mail this to me, but if not I want to complain because I don't want their "information" in my home. The reason I am contacting you is that I believe that the "message" from their leader, Mr Farage, is full of inaccuracies which distort and mislead to the point where they could be illegal under electoral law. I would like you to investigate these and either require that they publish a correction or, because of the serious nature of their transgressions, be required to withdraw their candidates. Specifically the message contains this statement "In June 2016, 17.m voted to leave the EU-the biggest democratic mandate in British history". This is a lie. British democracy does not recognise referendums within it's system and no mandate can ever be given to Parliament as a consequence of one. That the ruling Party undertook to respect the result does not change that and convert the referendum result into a mandate. The message goes on to say "almost three years later, the government and MPs have betrayed Brexit". This is also a lie. Parliament has been working hard to try to find a way to deliver a Brexit model which is acceptable to a majority of members. That they are divided in their approaches doesn't mean they have betrayed anyone. Further on it says "We must fight back against our failing MPs who have defied 17.4 million of us." This is a direct and almost certainly illegal challenge to the rule of law and the supremacy of Parliament. MPs are not delegates sent to Parliament to represent sectional interests. They represent all their constituents, the 17.4 million who voted to leave and the 16.1 million who voted to remain. Please investigate as quickly as you can. We suffered from the distorting lies of the Leave campaign in 2016 and this could be a repeat unless action is taken immediately." If you agree with this then perhaps you might consider taking similar action." Kin Ell. Go for a walk in the countryside or something
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 May 19 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
How have "prevailing circumstances" (whatever that means) materially changed between then and now? What about Parliament's responsibility to honour the manifesto pledges of both the main parties to deliver on the referendum result? MPs are not delegates. It's their responsibility to do what they consider is in their constituents and the country's best interests at the time they are taking the decision. If circumstances change then it's their duty to react to that. Circumstances have changed. We have a hung Parliament and a negotiated deal that cannot command a majority. A "no-deal" Brexit doesn't command a majority either. Some may feel that always voting in line with the referendum result is that duty, whilst others don't. It's a mess but to claim that the MPs aren't delivering what was promised is far too simplistic. It's what you want but it isn't what the MPs believe is in your interests and it's them who hold the responsibility.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 12 May 19 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have just written to the electoral commission about his "election communication". I posted it on FB too and have received 134 "likes" in 12 hours. For your interest this is the text:- "I have received the "Brexit Party's" election communication for the upcoming EU elections, which I understand has been delivered to all registered electors. I presume they are entitled to receive my details and mail this to me, but if not I want to complain because I don't want their "information" in my home. The reason I am contacting you is that I believe that the "message" from their leader, Mr Farage, is full of inaccuracies which distort and mislead to the point where they could be illegal under electoral law. I would like you to investigate these and either require that they publish a correction or, because of the serious nature of their transgressions, be required to withdraw their candidates. Specifically the message contains this statement "In June 2016, 17.m voted to leave the EU-the biggest democratic mandate in British history". This is a lie. British democracy does not recognise referendums within it's system and no mandate can ever be given to Parliament as a consequence of one. That the ruling Party undertook to respect the result does not change that and convert the referendum result into a mandate. The message goes on to say "almost three years later, the government and MPs have betrayed Brexit". This is also a lie. Parliament has been working hard to try to find a way to deliver a Brexit model which is acceptable to a majority of members. That they are divided in their approaches doesn't mean they have betrayed anyone. Further on it says "We must fight back against our failing MPs who have defied 17.4 million of us." This is a direct and almost certainly illegal challenge to the rule of law and the supremacy of Parliament. MPs are not delegates sent to Parliament to represent sectional interests. They represent all their constituents, the 17.4 million who voted to leave and the 16.1 million who voted to remain. Please investigate as quickly as you can. We suffered from the distorting lies of the Leave campaign in 2016 and this could be a repeat unless action is taken immediately." If you agree with this then perhaps you might consider taking similar action." Aren't you the little activist. Another nutcase who just can't accept a democratic decision.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 May 19 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's strange that whenever I go onto genuinely left leaning sites (which I do sometimes both for amusement and balance) they go apoplectic over the BBC, and it's rightish bias. That tells me that the BBC pretty much get things right. Bias, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm sure that the BBC is not Left enough for some Labourites but then, some of them are Left of Trotsky.
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