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So your 'reasoning' is that Remain lost the referendum and then Remainers purposefully delayed Brexit for years so we should therefore have another referendum so Remain have a chance to win this time?

You people really crack me up.

Your point is what exactly?

Would be good if people formulated content they agreed with into thought provoking personal responses that were more than simply repetitive party propaganda (that goes for all sides, TBH)

Also, if I've been voted into power by 'the will of the people', then I'm afraid that does kind of create some form of power and authority advantage. Which also means I can take informed decisions that you might disagree with but frankly, as I'm someone with all the facts, and the time to study the pros and cons properly, you can do one or vote me out.

This isn't a communist state, and a certain song by the Rolling Stones comes to mind. Unless you're a toddler, in which case I sympathise with your inability to compromise.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

I must admit....now I have a perverse almost sadomasochistic desire to listen to Janet Street Porter singing 'Strange Fruit'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2019 6.23pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

That is total nonsense.
Brexit was deliverable. It was Remainers, especially Teresa May, who ensured that it had no chance from the word go.

Lets assume you are correct.

If that is correct, do you think Theresa May and the members of parliament will suddenly change their tune en masse and get a no deal (I assume you are not happy with May's soft brexit) through parliament?

It is never going to happen.

Even a new leader of the tories will not get a no deal exit through parliament.

Are you holding out for a general election, sweeping Nigel Farage into No 10??

Trump and Farage, what a thought.

No doubt that makes you very excited.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

I am sure that no deal will be better than no Brexit going forward. The resentment felt by Leavers will echo for decades if the referendum is not honored.

What if Leave were to win a second referendum?

And for every person that thinks that way, there is 1, or possibly more than 1 person in England, who disagrees, and does not believe no deal is better than no brexit. We dont know how many people are in each camp, because a "no deal" brexit has never been voted on.

I agree that if Brexit is cancelled the brexiteers will be mighty angry, and with good reason. That doesnt change anything about being at an impasse/road to nowehere currently though. We have to get on a road to somewhere, wherever the final destination is.

If Brexit is cancelled for sure a very serious and thorough analysis of our place in the EU, and how things may need to change within that framework needs to be conducted.

You are not getting the point here, Hrolf.

A "Stay" or "Leave" 2 choice binary referendum is why we are in this almighty mess. "Leave" cannot win a 2nd referendum as "Leave the EU" will not be on a 2nd referendum.

How we leave the EU, will be on a 2nd referendum.

However if for arguments sake, a no deal brexit wins the 2nd vote, that will be implemented, as the whole point of a second vote is to have implementable options, which are per-authorised by parliament.

This was the failure of the 2016 vote. To be fair to the people putting the vote together though, so, so much was unknown in 2016 about the entire concept of Brexit.

So much more is now known in 2019 than was in 2016, which is yet another reason to hold a 2nd vote, EVEN if it wasnt the only way out of the quagmire, which it also is. That is 2 pretty big reasons.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Sorry but this is BS. Leaving the EU meant leaving the EU. The single market and the customs union are institutions of the EU. Therefore if we leave, we are no longer in either. That was a fact on June 23rd 2016 and remains a fact today.

And almost nobody seriously pushing for a second vote is advocating there being no 'Remain' option. If a second vote was to be held strictly along the lines of either May's deal or no deal, then perhaps there might be a case for it but lets be frank about this. 99% of those wanting another vote are doing so because they want to reverse the leave decision reached on the 23.6.2016.

Edited by Matov (15 May 2019 8.32pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I agree 100% that voting for Brexit was almost certainly a vote to leave the single market and customs union. There were some people stating otherwise but in general I agree with that.

As it gets more palatable for parliament, May's deal gets softer and softer, and it may well end up with a customs union.

If Labour was in power, the deal would have a customs union in it.

Given that fact, and that no deal will not be approved by parliament, you are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place eh.

As I keep saying, whilst imperfect, a 2nd vote is at least one way out of this s***show.

Voting on May's deal or no deal would be something, but I dont know if not giving people a chance to change their minds on leaving at all, if you are going to the trouble of having a new vote, makes a lot of sense. Betraying democracy could be cried at that one, just as much as those who believe the 2016 vote meant no deal, norway, or something else.

I guess in the same token - 99% of brexiteers opposed to a new vote are worried that public opinion has changed due to certain lies being exposed (350 mil for the NHS) and certain economic issues (Car manufactures/British Steel) making people think twice.

Its a pickle for sure.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.