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 Tim Gypsy Hill '64  Stoke sub normal 21 Dec 21 10.41pm |
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This is the latest data I can find from ONS about infections etc. It appears that those little fekkers at school are killing all the old people who are near the end of their lives. Perhaps WE could help encourage them to see the error of their ways?
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| Stirlingsays 21 Dec 21 11.30pm |
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What kind of authoritarian b0llocks is it that the personal choice of not taking a jab would result in the state financially punishing you. Some hypocrites complain about Putin yet seem oblivious to their own statements. The truth that all that matters is power, those that have it and those that don't has never been truer....nevertheless I don't see nonsense like financial punishment, then again I initially regarded fears over vaccine passports as a conspiracy theory. People will use and manipulate words to justify and rationalise just about any old b0llocks they like......you'll will notice that they will never personally be at the rough end and always come out smelling of roses. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2021 12.31am)
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| Ouzo Dan 22 Dec 21 12.42am |
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Well definitely have omicron, last night muscles were a bit achey & a barely noticeable scratchy throat tonight im absolutely fine. Chalk up another big W for my immune system. I have a question if the NHS wasnt overrun when no one was vaccinated (see tik tok) with the uk over 70% vaccinated how do you make the leap to the nhs being overrun? Doesnt add up to me. As I have proven twice now that i need no additional help getting over covid maybe I can have a reduction in my NI contributions surely it works both ways Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Dec 2021 12.44am)
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BlueJay  UK 22 Dec 21 1.55am |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Well definitely have omicron, last night muscles were a bit achey & a barely noticeable scratchy throat tonight im absolutely fine. Chalk up another big W for my immune system. I have a question if the NHS wasnt overrun when no one was vaccinated (see tik tok) with the uk over 70% vaccinated how do you make the leap to the nhs being overrun? Doesnt add up to me. As I have proven twice now that i need no additional help getting over covid maybe I can have a reduction in my NI contributions surely it works both ways Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Dec 2021 12.44am) An anecdotal take on how you personally got on with covid isn't really indicative of its effect on the population as a whole. Nobody has claimed that most people catching covid don't get over it without too much trouble. It's more that with a virus that everyone is likely to be exposed to, those who are impacted by it can pay a heavy price (as matter of fact: especially if they aren't vaccinated). Hence why several million people are dead worldwide. We have put ourselves in a good position with covid, specifically due to getting vaccinated and the protection that brings if or when we do contract covid. Natural infection without vaccination may provide a basic level of protection - certainly less than boosted vaccination though (and clearly overall consequence of using natural infection as way of 'vaccinating' has resulted in a staggering number of deaths). On the other hand getting vaccinated, and catching a 'breakthrough case' is the safest way of getting covid, plus the immune response to this combination appears to blow others completely out of the water (as logically it should), and so it's the sensible move to make for most. Lockdowns are pointless against a variant like this, and whatever the few do, the many have been vaccinated already so it will hopefully be sufficient. Individuals should be able to do as they please, but the blow of the virus has been cushioned by people getting vaccinated, rather than those bragging that they didn't bother. However bad (or not) it gets again, clearly without vaccination it would have been much worse. People working for the NHS do a tough job, they aren't there for us to burden them with health issues we can largely avoid via a 5 second choice, or to mock them as tiktok dancers. One day you might need these people to save your life. Just as many have over recent months due to making the poor health choice in question, and as consequence delaying various treatment for many others along the way. Edited by BlueJay (22 Dec 2021 2.16am)
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| BlueJay UK 22 Dec 21 2.18am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Read about this when it came out. Important to note that it's pre-vaccine. Certainly didn't think much of it then, but now we have vaccines, it's central premise of protect the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with it makes more sense. Problem is it came out pre-vaccine and not post vaccine, so although it makes more sense now, it certainly didn't then – and that's why I think a caveat is needed. Personally I think it's moot anyway – if the data stays the same there is no reason for a 2 week breaker or whatever the option on the table for the 28th is. Too politically damaging. Data stays as it is, we should be back on the road to annual jabs and no more threats of lockdowns. Edited by SW19 CPFC (21 Dec 2021 5.24pm) A sensible and fair minded assessment. I hope there isn't another lockdown, because I don't see that it would achieve anything of any benefit. The opposite most likely. On the positive side, Omicron will likely boost our immunity yet further on top of where we've already got it to as a society, so it's not all bad. Vaccination plus natural infection appears to push immunity sky high in comparison to just hoping for the best. The ideal combo. Edited by BlueJay (22 Dec 2021 2.26am)
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| The Dolphin 22 Dec 21 7.00am |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Well definitely have omicron, last night muscles were a bit achey & a barely noticeable scratchy throat tonight im absolutely fine. Chalk up another big W for my immune system. I have a question if the NHS wasnt overrun when no one was vaccinated (see tik tok) with the uk over 70% vaccinated how do you make the leap to the nhs being overrun? Doesnt add up to me. As I have proven twice now that i need no additional help getting over covid maybe I can have a reduction in my NI contributions surely it works both ways Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Dec 2021 12.44am) Totally agree with you!
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| The Dolphin 22 Dec 21 7.01am |
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Bluejay - I know of ten people who are vaccinated but who have caught covid - likely Omicron - in the last ten days.
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| Eden Eagle Kent 22 Dec 21 7.27am |
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Why do people continue to get PCR tested - if you have symptoms stay indoors and take lemsip etc, by increasing the positive test numbers you are encouraging the lockdown fanatics who are obsessed by case numbers and consequently making lockdown more likely.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Dec 21 7.33am |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Well definitely have omicron, last night muscles were a bit achey & a barely noticeable scratchy throat tonight im absolutely fine. Chalk up another big W for my immune system. I have a question if the NHS wasnt overrun when no one was vaccinated (see tik tok) with the uk over 70% vaccinated how do you make the leap to the nhs being overrun? Doesnt add up to me. As I have proven twice now that i need no additional help getting over covid maybe I can have a reduction in my NI contributions surely it works both ways Edited by Ouzo Dan (22 Dec 2021 12.44am)
The NHS is a function of government. For a government that has spent more than the WW2 budget dealing with covid the propaganda put out now is disingenuous.....it's for those convinced that these choices were for the best....I'll make the point that the initial policy that they abandoned...under dubious pressures...was the correct one and it wasn't as if that initial policy had been made up on the spot. The reason the NHS is struggling, more than the usual, is down to its backlog created by the massive redirection....there were massive numbers of diagnosis and treatments cancelled. The government decided to engage in a massive fear campaign to change behaviour and all of that has a consequence with many more concerned about their health. Anyone looking at the statistics for how the virus has gone should expect an increase in hospital admissions over the winter period...or at least the next two months.....but nowhere near as high as with previous waves due to both natural immunity/vaccines and the weaker strains. The fear campaign just continues the policy of gaslighting the public and blaming anyone but themselves. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2021 7.39am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Dec 21 8.51am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Maybe so but I pay quite enough tax on my beer and fags already. Not enough to convince you to stop smoking and moderate the drinking, if excessive! At what level would it need to reach to do that? I am sure the Health Secretary would like to know, even if the Chancellor wouldn't.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Dec 21 9.03am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Oh I see. A "general belief". So not fact then. But the fact that the previously under-reported infection versus death waves are different to the under-reported omicron infection versus death rates is reason to disregard the evidence? Whereas the reliance on the modelling, which has been spectacularly overstated on all previous occasions since the initial outbreak from Wuhan, is to be trusted and acted upon. A belief based on experience is a good reason to exercise caution when interpreting statistics. We don't yet have any reliable omicron data available. The idea that the modelling has been "spectacularly overstated" is just wrong. Modelling will always have a wide range of possible outcomes. If the media only concentrate on the worst possible, then they are always likely to look overstated with hindsight.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Dec 21 9.08am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
This is the latest data I can find from ONS about infections etc. It appears that those little fekkers at school are killing all the old people who are near the end of their lives. Perhaps WE could help encourage them to see the error of their ways? No, but perhaps the children could educate their parents about how to protect their grandparents by limiting contact, and encouraging everyone to be vaccinated. Most of the "little fekkers" seem to understand the science better than the adults.
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