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 dannyboy1978  22 May 19 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
This whisks me back to that heady night in 2016. You are hitting the nail on the head here, and showing precisely why a 2nd referendum is inevitable. Yes voting for Faragism is a vote for brexit, clue is in the party name. The only problem is that doesn’t move the issue along at all as the last 3 years have been spent trying to pick a particular type of Brexit, and unilaterally failing to do so. The brexit party will win big tomorrow, but it makes no difference to anything. So the brexit party "will win big" but you want another referendum, mate your running out of ideas, just conceed that you lost and move on with life.
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| Maine Eagle USA 22 May 19 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
So the brexit party "will win big" but you want another referendum, mate your running out of ideas, just conceed that you lost and move on with life. Ooooh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are plaaaayyying. Doesn’t matter what you, me, Nigel Farage, or his dog want, sunshine. His party dominating in the euro elections doesn’t make the slightest difference to the brexit impasse. The only way out of that is another vote of some kind.
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| dannyboy1978 22 May 19 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Ooooh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are plaaaayyying. Doesn’t matter what you, me, Nigel Farage, or his dog want, sunshine. His party dominating in the euro elections doesn’t make the slightest difference to the brexit impasse. The only way out of that is another vote of some kind.
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| Maine Eagle USA 22 May 19 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
No that’s a vote to elect MEPs.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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Park Road  22 May 19 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It's all right for you but I have to read all this tripe I understand - and I don't envy you
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| dannyboy1978 22 May 19 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
No that’s a vote to elect MEPs. So what does it tell you if mainly MEP'S From the brexit party get in? That remoaners don't care about the EU?
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| Stirlingsays 22 May 19 2.34pm |
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The BBC are saying there's talk of a cabinet move against May.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 22 May 19 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Stevey? You end with the old, 'unlucky' monologue.....well sure.....luck is a huge part of life....by far the biggest determinate. Free will is questionable in its degrees of reality and in more ways than one we are all slaves to our genes. I didn't really regard your previous divisions as anything more than elitist stereotypes......elements of truth that ignore why these things happen....but that's ok.....You were having your whinge like everybody else. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2019 12.11pm) Stevey Yaxley-Lennon, of course! To summarise my ramblings, it's really a question of ability to perceive the pros and cons of the world around you and then self-created advantage or disadvantage as a result of your own choices. This along with 'Brexit will not solve all your perceived ills', which to a lot of people on this forum it seems to be the be all and end all. I also agree that not everyone is born equal (obvious) but I was being slightly facetious, as usually I get told that they are every time I mention the opportunity of a rich person vs a working class person vs a person with no father living on the bread-line. Too nuanced perhaps. I see nothing changing in the long term even if the wildest wet dreams of Brexiteers on here comes to pass. At least, not because of Brexit. Power is power and it has been for millennia. If you want your personal circumstance to change for the better because you didn't apply yourself, that's your problem. Work your way out of it against the restrictions that have been imposed onto you, upskill, instead of going down the pub and moaning about it. Those restrictions will then begin to fall away the more you progress. Or, put your money where your mouth is and start a revolution, properly. Monk levels of dedication, not just cocking about your entire life then confessing at the last minute. Your choice, really. Automation, Globalisation as change? Certainly, as we've discussed before, but with different opinions. As mentioned I respect those that decide to take paths that are more morally and ethically advantageous at the expense (no pun intended) of financial and usually therefore power/social advantage, and a better life. No doubt it is selfless, but how much do you really want to suffer? That is the crux of the matter. I'm just saying that the way things are, that approach is not logical or rational in any way if you want to have a vaguely fulfilling life. In a better system Doctors and teachers would be paid more than bankers. But we are where we are, so why the hell wouldn't you cut your cloth accordingly? Edited by SW19 CPFC (22 May 2019 2.51pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 22 May 19 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
So what does it tell you if mainly MEP'S From the brexit party get in? That remoaners don't care about the EU? As you know the remain vote will be split and the leave vote will generally go to Farage, but we can certainly look at the totals once everything is counted up. What it tells me in general is that the groundswell that became attached to the Brexit movement in 2016 is continuing on at pace. Farage in his affluent pad in Chelsea, fresh from his latest business class trip to the States, has become the ultimate supporter of the common man, just like billionaire Donald Trump. He rails against the establishment and the elites. Some people genuinely believe that with a vote for Brexit, and now a vote for the brexit party, they are emulating "V" from "V for Vendetta" and becoming some kind of anti-elitist crusader who will tear down the fabric of this unfair society which caters to elites only and then eagerly donning their guy fawkes mask, will march on parliament to observe it being blown up. Many, many people in England are unhappy with their lot in life. Rightly or wrongly Brexit became their calling card and EU membership was the dragon which must be slain, to return to the glory of bygone times when the British Empire imperiously ruled. Foreigners became the problem which has to be solved, which if solved, would usher in a new dawn in Britain and make everyone native born's life better, happier, healthier and richer. Brexit has become the silver bullet to solve all of life's problems. Dont get me wrong, I know there are huge issues with inequality and poverty, and that the amount of people who want to migrate to the UK definitely causes issues. In the simple mind, Brexit will fix all of these issues, and once we finally reach the promised land of non EU membership, everything will be so much better, cleaner, and nicer.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 May 19 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Only by people who think any opinion other than their own equals "whining"
Oh please! Rarely have I ever encountered someone so far off the ball as you. To suggest that Brexit is a done deal is just ridiculous. Even the most stupid of the stupid can see that is what all the mess is about. Wrong again - whining most definitely coming from you Is an opinion. Good for you. You know mine.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 May 19 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It's all right for you but I have to read all this tripe It's good for you to read and learn the opinions of others. Broadens the mind and might even change it. We can all live in hope!
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Stirlingsays 22 May 19 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Stevey Yaxley-Lennon, of course! Apologies, sometimes the old noggin just isn't a jogging. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
To summarise my ramblings, it's really a question of ability to perceive the pros and cons of the world around you and then self-created advantage or disadvantage as a result of your own choices. True, a small number of people are born winners, some born losers and the rest.....populate the bbs boards. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
This along with 'Brexit will not solve all your perceived ills', which to a lot of people on this forum it seems to be the be all and end all. Sure, I agree....it's like Trump in the US. He's nothing but a delay, an enjoyable one for the politically incorrect like myself but essentially it's nothing more than a rebel yell....A two fingers from a sinking ship. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I also agree that not everyone is born equal (obvious) but I was being slightly facetious, as usually I get told that they are every time I mention the opportunity of a rich person vs a working class person vs a person with no father living on the bread-line. Too nuanced perhaps. Yep, one of the inherent problems with hierarchical systems. As for the nuance, it's a topic that could cover several books so a nod of acknowledgement is sufficient from me I hope. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I see nothing changing in the long term even if the wildest wet dreams of Brexiteers on here comes to pass. At least, not because of Brexit. Power is power and it has been for millennia. If you want your personal circumstance to change for the better because you didn't apply yourself, that's your problem.
Automation, Globalisation as change? Certainly, as we've discussed before, but with different opinions. Yep...apply ourselves, I'd agree with a lot of that...for sure, mind you if the middle classes allowed social mobility to actually happen instead of filling up all the opportunities with 'nice but dim' Tim and Jane it might be better than a soundbite......but that isn't going to happen is it. Not only that but the working class have to operate under the class bias and preference given to 'diversity' instead of pure merit. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
As mentioned I respect those that decide to take paths that are more morally and ethically advantageous at the expense (no pun intended) of financial and usually therefore power/social advantage, and a better life. No doubt it is selfless, but how much do you really want to suffer? That is the crux of the matter. I'm just saying that the way things are, that approach is not logical or rational in any way if you want to have a vaguely fulfilling life. In a better system Doctors and teachers would be paid more than bankers. But we are where we are, so why the hell wouldn't you cut your cloth accordingly? Edited by SW19 CPFC (22 May 2019 2.51pm) I was a teacher, I have no concept of a vaguely fulfilling life. That said, there's much to agree with and as usual it's an excellent post.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 May 19 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
As you know the remain vote will be split and the leave vote will generally go to Farage, but we can certainly look at the totals once everything is counted up. What it tells me in general is that the groundswell that became attached to the Brexit movement in 2016 is continuing on at pace. Farage in his affluent pad in Chelsea, fresh from his latest business class trip to the States, has become the ultimate supporter of the common man, just like billionaire Donald Trump. He rails against the establishment and the elites. Some people genuinely believe that with a vote for Brexit, and now a vote for the brexit party, they are emulating "V" from "V for Vendetta" and becoming some kind of anti-elitist crusader who will tear down the fabric of this unfair society which caters to elites only and then eagerly donning their guy fawkes mask, will march on parliament to observe it being blown up. Many, many people in the UNITED KINGDOM are unhappy with their lot in life. Rightly or wrongly Brexit became their calling card and EU membership was the dragon which must be slain, to return to the glory of bygone times when the British Empire imperiously ruled. Foreigners became the problem which has to be solved, which if solved, would usher in a new dawn in Britain and make everyone native born's life better, happier, healthier and richer. Brexit has become the silver bullet to solve all of life's problems. Dont get me wrong, I know there are huge issues with inequality and poverty, and that the amount of people who want to migrate to the UK definitely causes issues. In the simple mind, Brexit will fix all of these issues, and once we finally reach the promised land of non EU membership, everything will be so much better, cleaner, and nicer. **Edited for Accuracy**
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| Maine Eagle USA 22 May 19 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
**Edited for Accuracy** Last time I checked Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Park Road 22 May 19 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Is an opinion. Good for you. You know mine. Refresh me on your opinion...and I'll let you know what's good for me or not...
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 May 19 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Last time I checked Scotland voted to remain in the EU. All 3 million of them.
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| Stirlingsays 22 May 19 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
To me it's just another example of the bourgeoisie defending acting like Alan B'Stard while claiming to be Rik......neo liberal nihilism....personally for what it's worth I think people should practice what they preach. I agree with the above, but it takes a special type of person to practice what they preach when the personal cost is so high. These people are rare I also agree on luck – hence my caveat at the end, but at least give yourself the best chance in life by doing as much as you can, at least then all you can curse is your own rotten luck. Also, on luck – it's mainly how you respond to things out of your control that make you, not the the things themselves. Bad s*** is always going to happen. In other words don't use Brexit as a cure all, or if you're a remainer, a reason for despair, look at yourself.
The political section of Hol is a release valve. Some of us get to spend more time on it than others. When I was doing important stuff I didn't have time to be chewing the cud on here anything like as much. Some of us have had more luck than others, some are retired or just find they have more time.....Personally I'm just hanging around waiting for the heart attack....Hopefully it's a long wait.....Hopefully I get to last longer than Nick and Kermit. That's the main thing....a fondness for pure unfettered pettiness.
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| Stirlingsays 22 May 19 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
As you know the remain vote will be split and the leave vote will generally go to Farage, but we can certainly look at the totals once everything is counted up. What it tells me in general is that the groundswell that became attached to the Brexit movement in 2016 is continuing on at pace. Farage in his affluent pad in Chelsea, fresh from his latest business class trip to the States, has become the ultimate supporter of the common man, just like billionaire Donald Trump. He rails against the establishment and the elites. Some people genuinely believe that with a vote for Brexit, and now a vote for the brexit party, they are emulating "V" from "V for Vendetta" and becoming some kind of anti-elitist crusader who will tear down the fabric of this unfair society which caters to elites only and then eagerly donning their guy fawkes mask, will march on parliament to observe it being blown up. Many, many people in England are unhappy with their lot in life. Rightly or wrongly Brexit became their calling card and EU membership was the dragon which must be slain, to return to the glory of bygone times when the British Empire imperiously ruled. Foreigners became the problem which has to be solved, which if solved, would usher in a new dawn in Britain and make everyone native born's life better, happier, healthier and richer. Brexit has become the silver bullet to solve all of life's problems. Dont get me wrong, I know there are huge issues with inequality and poverty, and that the amount of people who want to migrate to the UK definitely causes issues. In the simple mind, Brexit will fix all of these issues, and once we finally reach the promised land of non EU membership, everything will be so much better, cleaner, and nicer. It's a good post, if a caricature of most Brexiteers. I don't think most view Brexit as a cure all or any kind of panacea. It's just better to be an independent country instead of being part of a superstate that views itself as a competitor to the remaining anglosphere.....talk of EU armies and the like. We have NATO.....I see how the undemocratic EU is going and it doesn't get my vote.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Maine Eagle USA 22 May 19 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All 3 million of them. They voted to remain by 62%. Therefore much as I appreciate Jimenez making his edit, he was wrong to do so. Plenty of Scots are pissed off with their lot in life. They think they are owed something better, and in many cases they are. Plenty of them get up every morning and trudge off to a job they hate and then trudge home. The difference between the Scottish and the English in the 2016 vote is that the Scottish didnt elevate leaving the EU to the lofty heights that people like Farage did and still does, who seem to say that once we have left the EU everyone's worries and problems will disappear overnight. Once we are no longer a member of the EU, in Farage's mindseye, every fountain in every city center in England will flow with champagne. Unemployment will come down to 0%, everyone will instantly get richer, healthier and happier. Each pavement will be relaid with gold, and beautiful maidens will adorn the gold streets singing and playing lutes.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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