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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 17 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Except you of course, you see the light, and of course Brexit and Trump will change all that...

The scary thing is that no one is really in control, its just chaos, with some people competing to be the person who points the ship in a certain direction, and no one knows where land is.

The truth is, we'd actually be better off is some all powerful conspiracy was effectively manipulating and controlling all of society.


Well you are sort of contradicting yourself here. I'm not saying that all things are controlled as you say the "illuminati" would do if they were real, but I am saying that those who are hell bent on protecting their power base want to fix things in their favour. Nothing new about that and very transparent I'd say.

 

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legaleagle Flag 12 Jan 17 2.37pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted


I would suggest that my method of non engagement with Gusset is the best method to avoid childish abuse and/or going round in circles all the time.

Gor blimey,Guvnor..you are having a laff...you are yourself near Olympic standard

HOL lack of self-insight poster of the year to go alongside your current accolade?)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 17 2.40pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

Gor blimey,Guvnor..you are having a laff...you are yourself near Olympic standard

HOL lack of self-insight poster of the year to go alongside your current accolade?)

Come on. Come out of the sock draw. It's getting too obvious now.

 

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.TUX. Flag 12 Jan 17 2.41pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Except you of course, you see the light, and of course Brexit and Trump will change all that...

The scary thing is that no one is really in control, its just chaos, with some people competing to be the person who points the ship in a certain direction, and no one knows where land is.

The truth is, we'd actually be better off if some all powerful conspiracy was effectively manipulating and controlling all of society.

1. The Central Banks are in control.
2. See above. And no, we're obviously not.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 17 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

1. The Central Banks are in control.
2. See above. And no, we're obviously not.

The controlling influence on the world has many tentacles and may interested parties.
If they feel that the top man is not on side then they will try to undermine him.
There is no perfect all controlling, all knowing organisation with a bald man with a white cat running it, but I'm confident that those with vested interests will have a consensus in regard to their policy toward a given set of circumstances. Trump getting voted in despite all the media/business effort to support Clinton, probably came as a bit if a shock I'm guessing.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 3.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Come on. Come out of the sock draw. It's getting too obvious now.

Give it a f***ing rest for 1 day man.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 3.37pm

How many of these can we tick off?

The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
Free Inquiry
Spring 2003
5-11-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Sorry if it's too long hoof, maybe read it over 3 goes

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.TUX. Flag 12 Jan 17 3.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The controlling influence on the world has many tentacles and may interested parties.
If they feel that the top man is not on side then they will try to undermine him.
There is no perfect all controlling, all knowing organisation with a bald man with a white cat running it, but I'm confident that those with vested interests will have a consensus in regard to their policy toward a given set of circumstances. Trump getting voted in despite all the media/business effort to support Clinton, probably came as a bit if a shock I'm guessing.

Totally agree, but ultimately they all dine in the same trough.
Trump appointing former Goldman Sachs partner Steven Mnuchin for Treasury Secretary was another shock, especially after claiming that he was going to ''drain the swamp''.
Whoever had won, it'll be business as usual in the good'ol US of A. (But far far funnier with Trump at the helm).

Edited by .TUX. (12 Jan 2017 3.38pm)

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 12 Jan 17 3.38pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

If there were such a real thing as 'freedom' then as Hillary got more than 50% of the votes we wouldn't be talking about Trump now.

The world would be doing itself a favour if it tipped Donald off it and Putin while it is at it.

The reason there is collegiate system in the US is to give a democratic voice to the places that are less populated. If it was a straight 'first past post' or majority wins system, something you yourself have criticised primarily because the Brexit referendum didn't provide the result you wanted, then the US election would only be about New York, Chicago and LA. Is that democracy?

However, once again, it tells me more about your sensibilities which are you want democracy but democracy on your terms, that produce the result you want.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 17 3.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Give it a f***ing rest for 1 day man.

You have revealed yourself.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 17 3.44pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Totally agree, but ultimately they all dine in the same trough.
Trump appointing former Goldman Sachs partner Steven Mnuchin for Treasury Secretary was another shock, especially after claiming that he was going to ''drain the swamp''.
Whoever had won, it'll be business as usual in the good'ol US of A. (But far far funnier with Trump at the helm).

Edited by .TUX. (12 Jan 2017 3.38pm)

I would imagine that when you become Pres' you get all kinds of advice about who not to upset.
The old adage about keeping you friends close but enemies closer might be in play here.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 17 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

How many of these can we tick off?

The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
Free Inquiry
Spring 2003
5-11-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Sorry if it's too long hoof, maybe read it over 3 goes

[Link]

Sounds like business as usual to me.
We have all always been fascists.

Well hey ho, let's all vote for Jeremy Corbyn. He is a nice old man.

#facepalmx1000

 

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