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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Oct 22 9.06am

Originally posted by Spiderman

So for all those who believe the French are trying to stop this, read about the free bus service!

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I thought that was the Royal Navy and the RNLI.

 


One more point

Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 13 Oct 22 9.42am

Interesting that the BBC story concentrates on missing migrant children.
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"More than 100 unaccompanied child migrants remain missing after disappearing from UK hotels over a 14-month period, data reveals.

BBC News has discovered that 116 children disappeared between July 2021 and August 2022, after temporarily being put in hotels by the Home Office." (BBC website)

This is really a pop at reporting, which is lax. There are missing people from hotels, but they are only classified as children based on say-so, and all arrive without documentation.
The article then spuriously goes on to speculate that these 'children' are being exploited.

Even The Sun was doing better than this, some time ago.
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Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Oct 2022 9.43am)

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Oct 22 10.06am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Interesting that the BBC story concentrates on missing migrant children.
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"More than 100 unaccompanied child migrants remain missing after disappearing from UK hotels over a 14-month period, data reveals.

BBC News has discovered that 116 children disappeared between July 2021 and August 2022, after temporarily being put in hotels by the Home Office." (BBC website)

This is really a pop at reporting, which is lax. There are missing people from hotels, but they are only classified as children based on say-so, and all arrive without documentation.
The article then spuriously goes on to speculate that these 'children' are being exploited.

Even The Sun was doing better than this, some time ago.
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Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Oct 2022 9.43am)

Many that claim to be minors, are indeed not so. HO have procedures in place to obtain age assessment but these are very rarely used. If claimed minors arrive they become the responsibility of the Social Services, with regard to accommodation. I know of several placed with local foster families, who abscond on the first night. Worse case scenario was putting a claimed minor with a foster family with teenage daughters. Luckily no harm was done. IMO many of these will no be minors and would be very surprised if an 11yo would have been put into a hotel without a responsible adult accompanying. Some might be exploited, which is horrendous, however you can argue that they have been exploited since leaving their home country

 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Oct 22 12.11pm

Albanian barbers and candy shop sales people.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Oct 22 4.52pm

I’m sure some on here will be volunteering for this


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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 27 Oct 22 4.57pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I’m sure some on here will be volunteering for this


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All our comedians work for government not those unfunny chat shows on Dave.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Oct 22 4.58pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I’m sure some on here will be volunteering for this


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If it"s guaranteed rent , it"s no different to taking in a british born tenant- whats not to like?

 

Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 27 Oct 22 5.00pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

If it"s guaranteed rent , it"s no different to taking in a british born tenant- whats not to like?

The Taxpayer foots the bill!

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Oct 22 5.04pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

The Taxpayer foots the bill!

But they foot the bill on the british tenant on universal credit to Henry!

 

Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 27 Oct 22 5.55pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

But they foot the bill on the british tenant on universal credit to Henry!

You are of course correct that the money is from the same source whether British or immigrants but these people are illegal immigrants. There are a few issues for me here:

The camps in Kent were recently inspected and found to be full and cramped. Some people had been living in marquees for a fortnight and some have waited in hotels/ camps for more than a year before their case is reviewed.

I feel we should not be making illegal immigrants too comfortable. They chose to come here via France which is perfectly safe haven, we did not invite them.

The camps are full because most of the deserted military establishments in Kent and elsewhere have been demolished and turned into housing estates. I wouldn't like to speculate who profits most from the sale of the government owned land. Remarkably,these new housing estates seem to appear almost overnight too.

It was stated that most of the immigrants arriving these days are Albanian men. I am unaware of wholesale persecution of individuals in Albania so I speculate that these people are here to exploit our welfare system and probably arrive in gangs. Gangs spell trouble. A short drive to a detention centre and a one way ticket on a charter back to Albania is the simplest solution.

If we have too many illegal immigrants awaiting an asylum review we need to step up their processing and make space on the conveyor belt. I don't think we should be filling up camps, hotels and now privately owned rentals indiscriminately as it merely shows we are unable to deal effectively with the issue.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Oct 22 7.46pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

You are of course correct that the money is from the same source whether British or immigrants but these people are illegal immigrants. There are a few issues for me here:

The camps in Kent were recently inspected and found to be full and cramped. Some people had been living in marquees for a fortnight and some have waited in hotels/ camps for more than a year before their case is reviewed.

I feel we should not be making illegal immigrants too comfortable. They chose to come here via France which is perfectly safe haven, we did not invite them.

The camps are full because most of the deserted military establishments in Kent and elsewhere have been demolished and turned into housing estates. I wouldn't like to speculate who profits most from the sale of the government owned land. Remarkably,these new housing estates seem to appear almost overnight too.

It was stated that most of the immigrants arriving these days are Albanian men. I am unaware of wholesale persecution of individuals in Albania so I speculate that these people are here to exploit our welfare system and probably arrive in gangs. Gangs spell trouble. A short drive to a detention centre and a one way ticket on a charter back to Albania is the simplest solution.

If we have too many illegal immigrants awaiting an asylum review we need to step up their processing and make space on the conveyor belt. I don't think we should be filling up camps, hotels and now privately owned rentals indiscriminately as it merely shows we are unable to deal effectively with the issue.

Indeed- I saw that 85% of those processed last year were granted permission to stay-4% were not, perhaps not all gang members - more likely 4 in every 100, or 1 in 25, and 8,5 out of 10 good enough people to stay!Puts it all in to perspective doesn"t it.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Oct 22 9.41pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Indeed- I saw that 85% of those processed last year were granted permission to stay-4% were not, perhaps not all gang members - more likely 4 in every 100, or 1 in 25, and 8,5 out of 10 good enough people to stay!Puts it all in to perspective doesn"t it.

Granted permission to stay does not necessarily mean granted asylum. A high percentage are granted leave to remain but not as asylum. Why?
applications are granted to get numbers down, that is a fact, a fact that won’t be published. I have first hand experience.
Another issue, those claiming to be minors who aren’t, minors will be granted asylum. Just to put this into perspective

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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Oct 22 7.06am


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Oct 22 2.07pm


these are familiar problems, often seen with a Colonisation...


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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Oct 22 2.13pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


these are familiar problems, often seen with a Colonisation...


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This feels familiar too PV:

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Edited by Nicholas91 (28 Oct 2022 2.13pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 28 Oct 22 4.44pm

Doctors, nurses, carers, supermarket staff, fruit pickers and HGV drivers, bar staff- the list is endless!

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Oct 22 5.53pm

All the customers who have been ripped off by a black cab fare.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 28 Oct 22 7.34pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Doctors, nurses, carers, supermarket staff, fruit pickers and HGV drivers, bar staff- the list is endless!

So all the Channel migrants fall into these categories? I don’t think so.
If you are a qualified doctor/nurse you would get a work permit and be able to enter legally. If you are a fruit picker, you would qualify for a seasonal work permit…. Fact
What is your point here?

Edited by Spiderman (28 Oct 2022 7.35pm)

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 28 Oct 22 7.35pm

Originally posted by cryrst

All the customers who have been ripped off by a black cab fare.

Only after Brexit

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Nov 22 9.01pm

surely all the Ukranian women & children were on the bus behind this one ?

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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