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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 14 Aug 21 10.53pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Are you?

Yes. From Afghanistan in this particular circumstance.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Aug 21 11.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Iím literally only talking about refugees.

You just ignore the reality that the difference is impossible to really tell.

Refugees are best sited in culturally similar countries.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 Aug 21 11.19pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Yes. From Afghanistan in this particular circumstance.

600 arrived yesterday. These are not Afghan refugees. What should we do with these economic migrants?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 14 Aug 21 11.25pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

600 arrived yesterday. These are not Afghan refugees. What should we do with these economic migrants?

Why are you asking me that? Iím literally only talking about the people having to flee Afghanistan now because the Taliban have taken over and we have a duty to look after those people after our role in it.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Why are you asking me that? Iím literally only talking about the people having to flee Afghanistan now because the Taliban have taken over and we have a duty to look after those people after our role in it.

If this is what you believe contact the government and offer to take in a refugee into your own house.

Live your own principles.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2021 11.34pm)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Aug 21 12.40am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Why are you asking me that? Iím literally only talking about the people having to flee Afghanistan now because the Taliban have taken over and we have a duty to look after those people after our role in it.

The Taliban will be keeping all the females aged from ten to 44.

Everybody else ? All those leftover men ? Europe's problem.

It was the same with ISIs and with Boko Haram.

The young women stayed in the hot country to push a pram, meanwhile their brothers are pushing a shampoo sponge at your local London hand carwash.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 15 Aug 21 6.59am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Why are you asking me that? Iím literally only talking about the people having to flee Afghanistan now because the Taliban have taken over and we have a duty to look after those people after our role in it.

What role was that then? Are you saying we shouldn't have gone there 20 years ago?

 

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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Croydon 15 Aug 21 7.32am Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Why are you asking me that? Iím literally only talking about the people having to flee Afghanistan now because the Taliban have taken over and we have a duty to look after those people after our role in it.

The Taliban were in power before we became involved. They were mainly people who fought against the Soviets in the Afghan-Soviet war. When they rose to power they were supported by pakistan, where most of the refugees from that initial regime went. (There and Iran). And there were an awful lot. But most displaced people remain within their region - hence Turkey has over 3 and a half million.

Your argument seems to be that we have a duty to take them, because we have now left and itís our fault. But itís not is it? Not really. We didnít create the Taliban. They were there when we went in and theyíre back now, despite our best efforts to give the Afghans the tools to deal with them. (If anyone created them it was perhaps a combination of pakistan and the Soviets).

Had the Taliban just given the US Osama Bin-Laden etc, for his part in 9/11 when requested, I doubt any western boot would have touched the soil there. So taking that further - had we not gone in, in the first place, and simply left the Taliban in charge - with their extreme version of Sharia Law, their destruction of agriculture/culture etc and their oppression of Afghan Women - what would your view be? I doubt it would have even been on your radar.

Mine is that we have and had (before we went in) a duty to take refugees. And we DO take refugees. Everyone has a right to live free from oppression and the rich countries of the world have a massive part to play and a responsibility in ensuring that. But to state that our duty to take them is because of our role (along with the US, Canada, Germany, Italy etc remember) is disingenuous and just another reason to belittle our country. We have a duty to consider refugees from all countries.

The Taliban existed before we went in and sadly the attempts to overthrow and set up an Afghan Govt/Army have failed. If we had stayed any longer, I suspect you would be screaming that weíve effectively annexed another Country in our desire for this that and the other. If we had wiped the Taliban out you would probably be critical, crying that weíve created a western democracy in a region that is not culturally understanding of one and committed genocide against the Ďpeacefulí Taliban.
In short, hindsight words are easy but what would your actions have been?


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View tonymikejoe's Profile tonymikejoe Flag C.P. 15 Aug 21 8.13am Send a Private Message to tonymikejoe Add tonymikejoe as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I wonder what public perception would be if 90% of immigrants were young, fit Eastern European girls

Well, since we have a declining birthrate amongst the females who make up the majority UK demographic this would be very welcome.

 

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 15 Aug 21 10.29am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by DanH
Okay, so you wish to. avoid thinking about a number that you would find acceptableÖbut you do seem to be concerned about talking about refugees and avoiding the discussion on economic migrants who absorb themselves into that category. So, would you be in favour of some form of offshore processing-either in Mainland Europe or a periphery nation so that the genuine refugees can be accommodated here eventually?


Why do I suddenly have to come up with a quota? Wouldnít a mind a one in one out system for some of the posters on here though if youíre worried about numbers.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Aug 21 10.40am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by tonymikejoe

Well, since we have a declining birthrate amongst the females who make up the majority UK demographic this would be very welcome.

accept a ton of single fit young women into the UK ? the feminists in our Media & Political circles would have a knicker-fit.

As you can already see in places like Sweden.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Aug 2021 10.43am)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Aug 21 10.44am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I think the "Taliban" is not a very helpful description as it suggest a political organisation when it is really a loose collection of war lords.

Afghanistan is a tribal country and people have allegiance to their local tribal leader. That is why there is far more support in the country for them than the western media would like to admit.

As long as each war lord sticks to his agreed area the Taliban holds together, however they are bound by their dislike of the western backed soon to be gone government.

As many countries who fought for independence have found out it is easy to agree on throwing out the western oppressors but what comes next is a lot harder to agree on.

 


One more point

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