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 Stirlingsays  24 May 19 4.43pm |
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Originally posted by becky
The timing on all this is going to be very interesting. Generally, Parliament breaks for the summer recess about the third week in July and re-convenes first or second week in October, after Conference. If they stick to this pattern, with May going on 7th June, there is very little time to settle the Leadership, form a new Cabinet, define any new strategy/policy and get that in place before the summer break and Conference. After Conference, there is very little time, only a couple of week in fact, left before the extension to Article 50 expires (on 31st October). No time at all really to get anything sorted in Parliament. Will the whole of Parliament give up their Summer vacation to sort things out? I won't hold my breath! Will the EU give us a further extension to A50? Some of the noises reportedly coming from Macron and others would seem to imply that they are not keen - Macron has already stated once that he will veto any extension. Interesting times, eh? Get your popcorn in!
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 becky over the moon 24 May 19 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Get your popcorn in! Don't like popcorn - Cabernet Sauvignon and anchovy stuffed olives for me......
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cryrst  The garden of England 24 May 19 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Listening to someone (I didn't catch his name) on Radio 5 this morning it seems that it isn't quite as honourable as that as many senior members ask "what's in it for me" before pinning their colours to his mast Well tbh thats how we vote but on a smaller scale.
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that they dont speak with fork tongue!!!!!| Invalid user 2019 24 May 19 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
When the extension was announce I said she would wait until after the EU election to go. Our best leverage in these negotiations is keeping a no deal on the table. Neither side what's to be the one seen to initiate a no deal. The EU does not want our MEPs to be sworn in as they fear we will create mayhem. The EU now have no MP to negotiate with so will have to accept further delay or kick us out without a deal. Should another PM call an general election, which is possibly required to get a deal through parliament then an even further delay would occur. In my opinion this move have strengthened our barging position. The EU can give us a better deal to get rid of us or we will remain and cause mischief. Yes that's the only show in town really. Without 'no deal' what tools do we have to negotiate anything new? Then again, No Deal is the eventual default anyway. I definitely agree that they don't want a situation where Brexit Party members are playing havok, especially where's no intensive for them not to do so. So there may be a window of opportunity to improve the deal and get all EU members on board with it. While this is going on, they'll be putting the feelers out regarding a general election too. If that went their way the deadlock would end. It may depend on whether the Brexit Party are placing in the polls though, and of course whatever the maze-like Labour manifesto says about their EU stance that week.
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| .TUX. 24 May 19 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
When the extension was announce I said she would wait until after the EU election to go. Our best leverage in these negotiations is keeping a no deal on the table. Neither side what's to be the one seen to initiate a no deal. The EU does not want our MEPs to be sworn in as they fear we will create mayhem. The EU now have no MP to negotiate with so will have to accept further delay or kick us out without a deal. Should another PM call an general election, which is possibly required to get a deal through parliament then an even further delay would occur. In my opinion this move have strengthened our barging position. The EU can give us a better deal to get rid of us or we will remain and cause mischief. ............that the EU will be screwed without us. A little known fact never mentioned by the MSM for some reason?
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 19 8.51pm |
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If elected, Johnson says we are leaving in October, deal or no deal.
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| .TUX. 24 May 19 8.55pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If elected, Johnson says we are leaving in October, deal or no deal. Can we have our Garden Bridge money back first? Edited by .TUX. (24 May 2019 8.56pm)
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 19 8.58pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Can we have our Garden Bridge money back first? Edited by .TUX. (24 May 2019 8.56pm) Should have built it in my opinion. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2019 8.59pm)
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| .TUX. 24 May 19 9.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Should have built it in my opinion. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2019 8.59pm) Mine too. A fantastic idea.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 May 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If elected, Johnson says we are leaving in October, deal or no deal. Which confirms he is nuts because it would not be in his hands would it? Parliament as a whole is now in control of the process and the current Parliament will not allow no deal to pass whatever any Tory PM may want. The only alternative is to elect a new Parliament and the make up of that is as yet an open book.
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| .TUX. 24 May 19 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which confirms he is nuts because it would not be in his hands would it? Parliament as a whole is now in control of the process and the current Parliament will not allow no deal to pass whatever any Tory PM may want. The only alternative is to elect a new Parliament and the make up of that is as yet an open book. Which is why your/our vote is continually pointless.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 19 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Mine too. A fantastic idea.
True....the face changes and the presentation might be more enjoyable....but essentially, when it comes to the financial....the system stays the same.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 19 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which confirms he is nuts because it would not be in his hands would it? Parliament as a whole is now in control of the process and the current Parliament will not allow no deal to pass whatever any Tory PM may want. The only alternative is to elect a new Parliament and the make up of that is as yet an open book. Unless the Parliament votes for a deal then a 'no deal' is the de facto result. If Johnson doesn't like the way things are going perhaps he will call that general election. I don't know.....I guess we are all going to see....like I say, get the popcorn in.
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jeeagles  24 May 19 11.22pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Yes that's the only show in town really. Without 'no deal' what tools do we have to negotiate anything new? Then again, No Deal is the eventual default anyway. I definitely agree that they don't want a situation where Brexit Party members are playing havok, especially where's no intensive for them not to do so. So there may be a window of opportunity to improve the deal and get all EU members on board with it. While this is going on, they'll be putting the feelers out regarding a general election too. If that went their way the deadlock would end. It may depend on whether the Brexit Party are placing in the polls though, and of course whatever the maze-like Labour manifesto says about their EU stance that week. The brexit party won’t have any impact in a general election. A Troy party lead by a leave campaigner is still the most likely option to win a majority than any other option. If they don’t win a majority we’d be back to the current post EU election where they still want to kick us out. Quick question for leave voters. If the EU was to undergo major reform, Such as defining its own remit, would you consider changing your vote in a second referendum?
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 19 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The brexit party won’t have any impact in a general election. A Troy party lead by a leave campaigner is still the most likely option to win a majority than any other option. If they don’t win a majority we’d be back to the current post EU election where they still want to kick us out. Quick question for leave voters. If the EU was to undergo major reform, Such as defining its own remit, would you consider changing your vote in a second referendum? I suspect that eventually the EU will break up and I see the UK joining a northern EU with Germany, France and perhaps a few others.....One far less political. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2019 11.31pm)
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 25 May 19 12.19am |
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Originally posted by becky
The timing on all this is going to be very interesting. Generally, Parliament breaks for the summer recess about the third week in July and re-convenes first or second week in October, after Conference. If they stick to this pattern, with May going on 7th June, there is very little time to settle the Leadership, form a new Cabinet, define any new strategy/policy and get that in place before the summer break and Conference. After Conference, there is very little time, only a couple of week in fact, left before the extension to Article 50 expires (on 31st October). No time at all really to get anything sorted in Parliament. Will the whole of Parliament give up their Summer vacation to sort things out? I won't hold my breath! Will the EU give us a further extension to A50? Some of the noises reportedly coming from Macron and others would seem to imply that they are not keen - Macron has already stated once that he will veto any extension. Interesting times, eh? JUDAS PRIEST What other industry has such a long holiday (apart from school teachers)
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| becky over the moon 25 May 19 6.34am |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
JUDAS PRIEST What other industry has such a long holiday (apart from school teachers) HM the Queen goes off for HER break until October - so without her around to 'Open' the new parliament, they just have to content themselves with getting on with a bit of constituency work and a bit of backstabbing outside of the main arena (Westminster).
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 May 19 9.35am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Unless the Parliament votes for a deal then a 'no deal' is the de facto result. If Johnson doesn't like the way things are going perhaps he will call that general election. I don't know.....I guess we are all going to see....like I say, get the popcorn in. True but if Parliament pass a vote of no confidence, which I think is pretty certain if the deadline approaches without a deal agreed, and no one else can form a government, which also seems pretty certain then an election will have to take place whether the PM calls it or not. I would then expect the outgoing Parliament to revoke Article 50 so that the new Parliament can make their own decision. That seems to me the most likely scenario for the coming months. It will not surprise me to begin to soon begin to hear whispers of regret that Mrs May's/EU deal wasn't accepted.
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| Stirlingsays 25 May 19 9.49am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
True but if Parliament pass a vote of no confidence, which I think is pretty certain if the deadline approaches without a deal agreed, and no one else can form a government, which also seems pretty certain then an election will have to take place whether the PM calls it or not. I would then expect the outgoing Parliament to revoke Article 50 so that the new Parliament can make their own decision. That seems to me the most likely scenario for the coming months. May's deal was reported to be worse than remaining. That's why no leaver can seriously support it.....and those that did only under the understanding that it would change later. I can't see parliament revoking article fifty unless there was a second referendum that supported staying. None of us know what is going to happen of course.....Johnson is only the favourite and the Tories are known for choosing leaders who aren't in line with their grass roots.....as we have had two remainers in a row.....in fact perhaps Duncan Smith is the last Tory leader who was actually a real EU skeptic.
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