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 Stirlingsays  09 Feb 19 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 09 Feb 19 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself. It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism. Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations. The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous. Here he is, Mr opinion presented as facts. From the horse's mouth, but all facts. I'm not saying I like the bloke, but the Donald is doing a good job.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 19 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Here he is, Mr opinion presented as facts. From the horse's mouth, but all facts. I'm not saying I like the bloke, but the Donald is doing a good job. "Facts" without context mean nothing. They at best are half-truths. It's no better than saying Palace outscored Watford in the first half and claiming that as a victory.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Feb 19 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"Facts" without context mean nothing. They at best are half-truths. It's no better than saying Palace outscored Watford in the first half and claiming that as a victory. A fact by definition is never a 'half truth'. You are referring to interpretation of facts.
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| ChuFukka 09 Feb 19 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Here he is, Mr opinion presented as facts. From the horse's mouth, but all facts. I'm not saying I like the bloke, but the Donald is doing a good job. Obviously there’s no point in explaining why using the WH’s own publications is unreliable. More importantly, anybody can send an economy into overdrive by cutting taxes and increasing spending (which Republicans suddenly seem to be fine with - most peculiar). Doing it at the top of an economic cycle is long-run suicide. Why has the yield curve come so close to inversion? Why is the VIX so choppy? Why is the Fed not ramping up quantitative tightening when the economy is on the fly? You tell me. Ultimately, rates still sit perilously close to the zero lower bound. When recession next hits (my bet is 2020), the CB won’t have the same room to manoeuvre that they did last time, which means fiscal stimulus a la Obama will be necessary. When the WH has been stimulating the s*** out of the economy since 2017, however, where do you turn? Trump’s recklessness means the next recession will be far, far harder to fix than the last one. That is unforgivable. Edited by ChuFukka (09 Feb 2019 1.53pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Feb 19 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A fact by definition is never a 'half truth'. You are referring to interpretation of facts. In absolute terms perhaps but few "facts" stand alone and if isolated from other relevant ones can only tell half-truths at best. What that WH self-congratulatory puff piece seeks to do is claim credit for many things which only have a smidgen of truth when put into context. The OP and many of the US Trump supporters don't look beyond the propaganda.
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| .TUX. 09 Feb 19 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In absolute terms perhaps but few "facts" stand alone and if isolated from other relevant ones can only tell half-truths at best. What that WH self-congratulatory puff piece seeks to do is claim credit for many things which only have a smidgen of truth when put into context. The OP and many of the US Trump supporters don't look beyond the propaganda. Funnily enough neither did Obama's.
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| dannyboy1978 09 Feb 19 2.24pm |
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They really arnt happy in fluffy EU land
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 19 5.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This is pretty much the same kind of ill-informed nonsense you find all over Trump supporting groups in the USA, being fed to them by Fox and Breitbart and parroted by Trump himself. It just isn't true. The US economy has been on an upward curve for several years and was started during the Obama administration. Economies take years to react to stimuli and Trump's impact is only now taking effect. The markets are down as a consequence as nervousness overtakes optimism. Why? His tax cuts have added hugely to their debt without trickling down into the economy as they enrich the wealthy and not the poor. His tariff wars worry markets and hurt consumers. All of this whilst ignoring climate change and consequently storing up huge problems for future generations. The man is not just brash. He is also narcissistic, ignorant and dangerous. This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance. Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual.
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| ChuFukka 09 Feb 19 5.49pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance. Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual. A quick Google will confirm literally everything he said. Trumpism is an ideology borne of hate, of fear & of backlash against an amorphous, poorly-defined ‘elite’ (which ultimately boils down to ‘people who don’t agree’). Standing against that has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with common, human decency. Do better.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 19 5.53pm |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
A quick Google will confirm literally everything he said. Trumpism is an ideology borne of hate, of fear & of backlash against an amorphous, poorly-defined ‘elite’ (which ultimately boils down to ‘people who don’t agree’). Standing against that has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with common, human decency. Do better. Give me some facts to back up your claims. Otherwise you're just spouting an opinion "borne of hate, of fear".
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| ChrisGC Wantage 09 Feb 19 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
A quick Google will confirm literally everything he said. Trumpism is an ideology borne of hate, of fear & of backlash against an amorphous, poorly-defined ‘elite’ (which ultimately boils down to ‘people who don’t agree’). Standing against that has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with common, human decency. Do better. It doesn't. Opinion pieces by the guardian and CNN don't count. The facts are that employment across the board is at a record high and the stock exchange at record value. Trumpism isn't a real thing, it's a construct of his opponents. Standing against Trump has nothing to do with human decency, it's personal bias: which you are justly entitled to. You don't like him or his policies and that's fair enough.
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| Biker Eagle Holmesdale Road 09 Feb 19 6.35pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. $5.8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle Title should read $5.8 billion.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 19 7.17pm |
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Yep, it's a paltry 0.11% of federal spending.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 09 Feb 19 7.20pm |
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Originally posted by Biker Eagle
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Trump's wall. .8 is peanuts to the US economy' by Penge Eagle Surely this is a paltry amount to the US economy? The shoutdown has ended and was more about peacocking than policy. The Dems are claiming victory, which seems correct on the face of it. I've not seen a reliable poll (does one exist?), but some are claiming Trump's approval was hit, others Pellosi's. Trump gave ground due to the air traffic controller "sick" strike (supposedly), although he could have just fired (no rehire) them like Reagan did. Personally, I think it was mission accomplished for Trump. He doesn't want to deliver boarder security too quickly as he'll use this for his 2020 push along with the anti-socialism card as signalled at the SOTU address. The Dems look obstructive long term, Trump's bid for 2020 strengthens, his popularity wasn't at risk among his own, nor was it in danger of increasing from the left. Pellosi missed a couple of tricks to cash in and take advantage public perception wise, instead she took a couple of personal cheap shots. The Dems fell into the trap of having leisure time during the shut down whilst trump made sure he was seen to be working hard...
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| ChuFukka 10 Feb 19 9.18am |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
It doesn't. Opinion pieces by the guardian and CNN don't count. The facts are that employment across the board is at a record high and the stock exchange at record value. Trumpism isn't a real thing, it's a construct of his opponents. Standing against Trump has nothing to do with human decency, it's personal bias: which you are justly entitled to. You don't like him or his policies and that's fair enough. You’re right that ‘Trumpism’ isn’t a stand-alone thing, it’s part of a much broader, nastier populism funded by a small group of people that includes - but is not restricted to - Brexit. In the American context, however, there is absolutely utility in referring to Trumpism. When your policy includes separating children from parents and putting them in cages, quietly removing sanctions on Putin allies, stacking important regulatory bodies such as the EPA and FCC with industry stooges, and removing tax deductions from the poor so that private jets become deductible, then yes, opposing Trump is absolutely about decency. And I say that as someone who has benefited financially from Trump. When the Neo-Nazis are on your side, you’re getting something wrong.
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cryrst  The garden of England 10 Feb 19 9.48am |
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
You’re right that ‘Trumpism’ isn’t a stand-alone thing, it’s part of a much broader, nastier populism funded by a small group of people that includes - but is not restricted to - Brexit. In the American context, however, there is absolutely utility in referring to Trumpism. When your policy includes separating children from parents and putting them in cages, quietly removing sanctions on Putin allies, stacking important regulatory bodies such as the EPA and FCC with industry stooges, and removing tax deductions from the poor so that private jets become deductible, then yes, opposing Trump is absolutely about decency. And I say that as someone who has benefited financially from Trump. When the Neo-Nazis are on your side, you’re getting something wrong. Obama seperated familiies so its not a new thing
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| ChuFukka 10 Feb 19 10.51am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Obama seperated familiies so its not a new thing False equivalence.
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