You are stuck in a loop.

If someone claims something look at the source they have gotten the claims from this is what you use not that it comes from what you class as a trusted place.

British Heart Foundation you like to keep mentioning these so I am giving you a chance to prove I am incorrect these people claim high Cholesterol causes heart disease as well as some other diseases.

Take a look at the sources they use not one single piece shows "cause"

Most of the studies they use are short term injecting mice with unrealistic amounts and using models to claim this is how it would impact humans this is not real science.

Not one single piece of evidence in any study has ever shown Cholesterol to "cause" what these people claim so why have they jumped on this as stated before £ they have a massive involvement with the push of Statins.

They can insist all they like.

It is not for the NHS to choose who they treat.

Every one is entitled to treatment.

Edited by grumpymort (31 Dec 2021 11.13pm)

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Come again?

Watching all these fireworks....I'll have to do some next year instead of just watching all the neighbour's fireworks....but good job as I'm bleeding p1ssed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Have you even read through what you are linking to? I am not sure you have or if you have you do not even understand it.

It shows no evidence again of what you claim they are writing about "cause" without showing any evidence of it this is not science.

The other big give away is in the terms which are repeated throughout "may" this is not science no such thing as may if you know the cause it either does or does not.

A lot of the information is going on about other conditions which are correct nothing to do with covid-19 being the cause again the samples they used the person "may" of had another disease or been in poor health.

Long term effects are mentioned which again this is opinion you can only state this if you have the data from long term trials which they have none again not science.

The references they used for this article you need to go over each of those which is 50 of them and look at every one if even one of them is not valid data none of it is.

I looked at a couple of them they again showed nothing to backup cause claims.

People who are not qualified or worked in the field do not understand how to look at these correctly most will take a few bits from the abstract or the conclusion and believe this is 100% facts I was the same when I first started a lot of doctors do this as well.

If you keep posting up these claims which are not backed up by real science i will keep pulling them apart.

This is misinformation and because a big organization backs them doesn't make it correct.

It is easy to solve state its your opinion.

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Vauxhall fan?

As previously stated you are far too clever for me. I am a mere student.

So I ask again, please provide links to the research that disproves the assertions made by every reputable source that I can find on tinterweb.

Here is another example

Previous coronavirus outbreaks such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) were associated with a significant burden of CV morbidity.27,28 Common CV complications in SARS were hypotension, myocarditis, arrhythmias, and sudden cardiac death.29,30 Diagnostic workup during SARS infection revealed electrocardiographic changes, subclinical left ventricular (LV) diastolic impairment, and troponin elevation.31,32

COVID-19 seems to have comparable cardiac manifestations to previous outbreaks with other coronaviruses. Evidence of myocardial injury is frequent at the time of admission in hospitalized COVID-19 patients.17,33,34 Typically, patients with evidence of injury are older and have more CV comorbidities and risk factors. Elevated troponin levels are associated with a greater need for mechanical ventilatory support and higher in-hospital mortality.29,35 Numerous potential links exist between systemic viral infection and acute coronary ischaemic syndromes.36 There is some evidence that active COVID-19 increases the risk of acute myocardial infarction (MI) and ischaemic stroke.37 Plaque-destabilizing and supply–demand imbalance are mechanisms through which COVID-19 may precipitate acute coronary syndromes (ACSs)

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And it is not my opinion by the way. It is me quoting sources. As you clearly have better ones, do feel free to provide them.

Edited by Mapletree (02 Jan 2022 12.06am)

I do not need to provide anything you are the one making the claims of "cause"

I stated their is no evidence of this which is true otherwise you should be able to provide the evidence which you have not done so.

Each link you provide as stated again shows no such thing making them invalid.

Another link this will be interesting.

The point of that link is what? it again shows nothing.

Is this another one you have not even read through and the sources they use for the data it appears so

I have made bold a word you quoted and another line you need to re read

what is some 1 10 100000? and to who?

Here is two quotes from your link "COVID-19 outcomes and Cardiovascular manifestations and clinical course of COVID-19—many patients also have CVD, such as hypertension and obesity, acute myocardial injury and myocarditis"

"potential relationships between hypertension and COVID-19 are thought most likely to relate to confounding due to age and associated comorbidities, namely obesity"

Do you understand what this is stating?

This is very simple to follow

I saw you mention about being a student which subject is this in?

Regarding a risk factor they need to provide evidence of how much and to who no such data is shown and the quote you posted has no mention of it either.

Tom down the road "may" be hit by lighting or may be hit by a truck no data provided so this is opinion.

The links you post do show science but not what you are claiming.

This is why I always bring up nutrition it is the same lots of people making claims yet its junk they show nothing and when data is provided it is by association or epidemiology which is not even based of anything valid.

Do I believe in my opinion that for some people who already have health issues or a small % of the population that will contract the virus it could lead to some of the issues you suggest yes this could happen with being vaccinated as well.

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