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Originally posted by ChuFukka
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
This post is all hot air and speculation with zero substance. Hit me with some facts. Oh no, you can't because you have nothing to back up your ridiculous assertions that are full of hatred of an individual. I have neither the time nor the interest to educate you in these matters. They are all part of the public record so please do your own research. Ignore the propaganda arms of the "alternative facts" movement, otherwise known as Fox News or Breitbart, and look at the official records. Google is your friend. So far as Trump himself is concerned that research is very simple. No need for any filters. Just read his tweets and broadcasts and compare them with known facts.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's not a 'false equivalence' because cryrst didn't claim that the scale was the same. It still happened and the actual policy is and was sensible. The response of the Democratic media wasn't only illogical but it was highly ill informed. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 11.11am) “It’s fine that Trump won’t disavow Nazis because Obama once went to Germany”. Scale matters. The policy wasn’t sensible, it was despicable. The reaction was absolutely appropriate - again, it’s about decency. Also just a top tip - if you’re overtly pro-Brexit and pro-Trump I wouldn’t go around calling others ‘ill-informed’, it’s a little embarrassing for everyone involved.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Neo Nazis, famous for their hatred of white people. Anti-white racists (lol) have caused approximately no deaths in the United States LTM. That isn’t true of far-right extremists. Let’s deal with the actual threat first, shall we, rather than some people on Twitter?
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
Neo Nazis, famous for their hatred of white people. Anti-white racists (lol) have caused approximately no deaths in the United States LTM. That isn’t true of far-right extremists. Let’s deal with the actual threat first, shall we, rather than some people on Twitter?
Oh....lets deal with the 'racists' you don't like eh.....And who exactly are the people who are going to do that and decide who or who isn't a racist. When it comes to America....Not all Democrats are racist, but all anti white racists are Democrats.
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
Neo Nazis, famous for their hatred of white people. Oh I see.....So when people call Tommy Robinson a Nazi....it's because he hates Jews then? Funny how he has a support base there then isn't it. So we are going to suddenly be accurate about what a neo Nazi actually is? It's nice to see that you are a student for accuracy. Originally posted by ChuFukka
Anti-white racists (lol) have caused approximately no deaths in the United States LTM. That isn’t true of far-right extremists. Let’s deal with the actual threat first, shall we, rather than some people on Twitter? Actually racially motivated deaths 'black on white' are quite common. To say no deaths have happened is very blinkered. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 12.51pm)
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
You’re right that ‘Trumpism’ isn’t a stand-alone thing, it’s part of a much broader, nastier populism funded by a small group of people that includes - but is not restricted to - Brexit. In the American context, however, there is absolutely utility in referring to Trumpism. When your policy includes separating children from parents and putting them in cages, quietly removing sanctions on Putin allies, stacking important regulatory bodies such as the EPA and FCC with industry stooges, and removing tax deductions from the poor so that private jets become deductible, then yes, opposing Trump is absolutely about decency. And I say that as someone who has benefited financially from Trump. When the Neo-Nazis are on your side, you’re getting something wrong. Trump didn't start the separation directive, it was a lot worse under Obama.
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
“It’s fine that Trump won’t disavow Nazis because Obama once went to Germany”. Scale matters. The policy wasn’t sensible, it was despicable. The reaction was absolutely appropriate - again, it’s about decency. Also just a top tip - if you’re overtly pro-Brexit and pro-Trump I wouldn’t go around calling others ‘ill-informed’, it’s a little embarrassing for everyone involved. Sure scale matters but you said it was a false equivalence when it wasn't because no claim on proportionality was made.....It's simply a truth that Obama's administration did this....Just as it was a truth that the images used to attack Trump during this episode were taken during Obama's administration. As for saying the policy is despicable. Once illegal immigrants cross into the custody of a national border force, what happens to them, while in custody, then becomes the responsibility of that nation. Hence illegal acts that harm children might be carried out....they might be given drugs, sexually abused, physically harmed. The border force don't know whether the children with adults are related or not. Hence they are separated until this is found out. This is common sense.....how is it despicable?
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Trump didn't start the separation directive, it was a lot worse under Obama. The investigation which is still ongoing and has already generated 8 guilty pleas? Wait til Mueller releases his findings, I’ll be laughing at you even harder then.
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Originally posted by ChuFukka
The investigation which is still ongoing and has already generated 8 guilty pleas? Wait til Mueller releases his findings, I’ll be laughing at you even harder then. None of those guilty pleas were 'Russian collusion' related. Make sure you are on the site then when those findings are released. I sure will be.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have neither the time nor the interest to educate you in these matters. They are all part of the public record so please do your own research. Ignore the propaganda arms of the "alternative facts" movement, otherwise known as Fox News or Breitbart, and look at the official records. Google is your friend. So far as Trump himself is concerned that research is very simple. No need for any filters. Just read his tweets and broadcasts and compare them with known facts. Translation: "I am unable to debate you, so I'm going to smear you as stupid and walk away".
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Translation: "I am unable to debate you, so I'm going to smear you as stupid and walk away". Nope. I cannot be bothered as it would take time I haven't got. As the details are all available why on earth should I do something that you can do, if you are really genuinely interested to find out? If you truly believe that what I said isn't true then you can try to disprove it by producing your own evidence. Don't though just quote Trump's own claims, or anything from the comic books masquerading as news outlets, like Fox, Breitbart et al. They are no more than propaganda worthy of Goebbels. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Feb 2019 4.04pm)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nope. I cannot be bothered as it would take time I haven't got. As the details are all available why on earth should I do something that you can do, if you are really genuinely interested to find out? If you truly believe that what I said isn't true then you can try to disprove it by producing your own evidence. Don't though just quote Trump's own claims, or anything from the comic books masquerading as news outlets, like Fox, Breitbart et al. They are no more than propaganda worthy of Goebbels. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Feb 2019 4.04pm) You haven't got time, but you keep replying back!
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You haven't got time, but you keep replying back! Typing a few words takes only a moment. In any case there is a principal here. I am not your research assistant. I have stated things confirmation for which can easily be found if you really want to find them. If you want to try to prove that the US recovery did not start in the Obama era or that all the other Trump claims are true then carry on.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Typing a few words takes only a moment. In any case there is a principal here. I am not your research assistant. I have stated things confirmation for which can easily be found if you really want to find them. If you want to try to prove that the US recovery did not start in the Obama era or that all the other Trump claims are true then carry on.
It also take a few moments to post up a bit of evidence to back up your claims against the points I made. They all exist on this thread. But you can't. The time taken in the last three posts could have equalled a post full of factually sourced information which I could then discuss with you. But you still can't. You know that any argument you have will be ripped to shreds with facts. You're just an empty vessel.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
It also take a few moments to post up a bit of evidence to back up your claims against the points I made. They all exist on this thread. But you can't. The time taken in the last three posts could have equalled a post full of factually sourced information which I could then discuss with you. But you still can't. You know that any argument you have will be ripped to shreds with facts. You're just an empty vessel. This thread should be 'bias for Trump', not against. Trump was simply not in office from 2009 until 2017, Obama was, so he can not be credited in any way with the USA's post-crash recovery.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
This thread should be 'bias for Trump', not against. Trump was simply not in office from 2009 until 2017, Obama was, so he can not be credited in any way with the USA's post-crash recovery. I think the difference between Obama and Trump can be seen in growth rate. Obama did little other than allow the FED to decide what to do......He just bent the knee to his financial bosses......How many bankers went to jail exactly....though it's hidden that a lot of those bad loans were regulated for back in Clinton's era....they don't tell you that. I'm not saying that Trump would have been any better in that aspect but if we are going to support Obama rather than Trump.....I'm not exactly seeing it.....Obama could tell a joke and look presidential.....if that rings your bell then I get it. But economically Trump has shown Obama up as being the community organiser and waffle merchant he was......What did Obama actually positively achieve in office other than creating a more polarised country.....he even managed to make their healthcare worse for the average American.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Translation: "I am unable to debate you, so I'm going to smear you as stupid and walk away". Usually a remainer tactic: "You were lied to!" (I think you're stupid) Edited by ChrisGC (10 Feb 2019 7.04pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think the difference between Obama and Trump can be seen in growth rate. Obama did little other than allow the FED to decide what to do......He just bent the knee to his financial bosses......How many bankers went to jail exactly....though it's hidden that a lot of those bad loans were regulated for back in Clinton's era....they don't tell you that. I'm not saying that Trump would have been any better in that aspect but if we are going to support Obama rather than Trump.....I'm not exactly seeing it.....Obama could tell a joke and look presidential.....if that rings your bell then I get it. But economically Trump has shown Obama up as being the community organiser and waffle merchant he was......What did Obama actually positively achieve in office other than creating a more polarised country.....he even managed to make their healthcare worse for the average American.
Obama succeeded, Trump was not there and we can only speculate. It is simply the facts, not 'whataboutery'
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Obama succeeded, Trump was not there and we can only speculate. It is simply the facts, not 'whataboutery'
Whereas Trump....that alpha you hate so much created far more jobs for poor people than Obama could......Yet the Democrats sell these people lies about what's best for them. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 7.18pm)
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